Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Wayfinder3]

i don't think you comprehend what strawman means. also, i saw what ultra super synergy teams do. we had a whole expansion for that. (it also wasn't, idk what drugs you're on). rdm needs a mild buff, but anything like what you'd want to happen are just insane. It'd be more of rdm just becoming smn during stormblood, which was the furthest thing from balance at any point in that expansion.

Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. a person regarded as having no substance or integrity. (My BLM will be useless if utility dps get any buffs regardless of how much those buffs help)(If BLM did 500 more total raid contribution than rdm, people would still take it for speeds)

It wasn't? Pray tell why Black mage was in the fastest kill times for both O12 savage fights, as high as 2nd place of o9s and 4th place for o10s. the only fight BLM wasn't present in the top 10 for was o11s
thats a pretty meta relevant position to be in. meanwhile, rdm isn't top 10 in any of them, but the gap between RDM and BLM was nowhere near what it is now. you were so blind as to how bad you thought BLM had it, you missed the success it was having right in front of you.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/25

[Zerathor]

Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. a person regarded as having no substance or integrity. (My BLM will be useless if utility dps get any buffs regardless of how much those buffs help)(If BLM did 500 more total raid contribution than rdm, people would still take it for speeds)

It wasn't? Pray tell why Black mage was in the fastest kill times for both O12 savage fights, as high as 2nd place of o9s and 4th place for o10s. the only fight BLM wasn't present in the top 10 for was o11s
thats a pretty meta relevant position to be in. meanwhile, rdm isn't top 10 in any of them, but the gap between RDM and BLM is nowhere what it is now. you were so blind as to how good BLM was doing in alphascape, you missed the success it was having.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/25

ah, cheesing with smn buffing a blm. that wasn't from the blm. thats a smn making a blm relevant. right

[Archwizard]

rdps is the only thing that matters.

You're half-right? But also hilariously, painfully, ludicrously wrong.

So it's like this right: BLM is the caster with the highest personal DPS, and always shall be so long as it brings no group utility. While RDM may contribute more to raid damage via the use of buffs like Embolden, it's situational, in that it needs jobs that can reasonably reap the benefits of Embolden (which of course notoriously excludes other casters). Even if you brought mostly utility jobs whose focus is on maximizing raid damage, you would still want a competent BLM or similar job to stack and focus-cast those buffs on.
+10% to whatever damage RDM is doing maybe puts it on level with an unbuffed BLM for a couple seconds. +10% damage to the BLM blows everyone else out of the water, and invites a lot of other +% buffs from everyone else.

There's a place for both personal and raid DPS, and raid DPS scales only with the personal DPS it can amplify.

As for "the superior caster for both prog and speed runs"... personally I'd just want to see RDMs represented across the spectrum, not necessarily on top, but not limited only to progression runs either. The idea of any job being limited purely to progression or purely to farm is very gatekeep-y.

[Zerathor]

You're half-right? But also hilariously, painfully, ludicrously wrong.

So it's like this right: BLM is the caster with the highest personal DPS, and always shall be so long as it brings no group utility. While RDM may contribute more to raid damage via the use of buffs like Embolden, it's situational, in that it needs jobs that can reasonably reap the benefits of Embolden (which of course notoriously excludes other casters). Even if you brought mostly utility jobs whose focus is on maximizing raid damage, you would still want a competent BLM or similar job to stack and focus-cast those buffs on.
+10% to whatever damage RDM is doing maybe puts it on level with a BLM for a couple seconds. +10% damage to the BLM blows everyone else out of the water, and invites a lot of other +% buffs from everyone else.

There's a place for both personal and raid DPS, and raid DPS scales only with the personal DPS it can amplify.

As for "the superior caster for both prog and speed runs"... personally I'd just want to see RDMs represented across the spectrum, not necessarily on top, but not limited only to progression runs either.

blm has been the highest personal dps for a while. there was a reason it wasn't preferred in stormblood. its rdps being superior to pdps, even before regular people really understood that. So I believe you're hilariously wrong, or haven't played this game too long.

[Wayfinder3]

ah, cheesing with smn buffing a blm. that wasn't from the blm. thats a smn making a blm relevant. right

And there it is, this is why i can't take you seriously. complete ignorance to the fact that it doesn't matter how good SMN was doing, BLM was doing just as good with it. SMN was better sure, but BLM was still good enough to be relevant.

yet you, a war torn BLM who's seen the worst utility metas do to pdps jobs ignore the accomplishments of what a BLM did in that supposed hyper utility meta. You don't want balance, you don't want good balance for BLM, you just hate utility.

[Archwizard]

blm has been the highest personal dps for a while. there was a reason it wasn't preferred in stormblood. its rdps being superior to pdps, even before regular people really understood that.

Again, yes and no. In Stormblood half the issue was that the majority of DPS buffs a group could bring were focused on melee jobs -- vulnerability debuffs from every DoW and buffs like Embolden, versus literally only Contagion to buff magic DPS. RDM fit better with that composition because the team was better suited to stacking buffs on a melee.
Had there been just as many effects stacked in favor of casters we wouldn't see such an arrangement -- or as now, where many of those melee- or magic-specific effects have been stripped away or turned into general buffs with the notable exception of Embolden; no RDM on the team, no problem for the BLM, which is fairly standard anyway.

The other half being that BLM in Stormblood had limited mobility which could only be overcome with an intimate knowledge of the fight in the first place, weakening its position in progression next to two more mobile casters who offered rezzes.

[Zerathor]

And there it is, this is why i can't take you seriously. complete ignorance to the fact that it doesn't matter how good SMN was doing, BLM was doing just as good with it. SMN was better sure, but BLM was still good enough to be relevant.

yet you, a war torn BLM who's seen the worst utility metas do to pdps jobs ignore the accomplishments of what a BLM did in that supposed hyper utility meta. You don't want balance, you don't want good balance for BLM, you just hate utility.

again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously. the reason i just said. smn should never have even been near where it was. I just hate utility? I just hate people who think 4/4 utility jobs should be meta. timing your buffs aren't hard, its in your damn rotation. funny thing about cooldowns that are simmilar cds, they line up if you aren't braindead in playing your job, its not an excuse for it being better.

[Archwizard]

again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously.

Hasn't Wayfinder3 already denied that assertion of yours? I think you may be misreading things.

[Zerathor]

Hasn't Wayfinder3 already denied that assertion of yours? I think you may be misreading things.

they haven't. mathematically they're goal just results in stormblood 2.0. despite what jobs they mention for a meta group, you would get a better outcome with a pure 4/4 utility circle jerk group. I think you don't know the game you're playing, and have zero experience with what this game has been.

and I'm right on that
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed


so please, tell me more on your vast knowledge on the subject. denied=/= disproved

[Wayfinder3]

again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously. the reason i just said. smn should never have even been near where it was. I just hate utility? I just hate people who think 4/4 utility jobs should be meta. timing your buffs aren't hard, its in your damn rotation. funny thing about cooldowns that are simmilar cds, they line up if you aren't braindead in playing your job, its not an excuse for it being better.

I've never claimed any of this and on this same day in this same post i told you how i felt the DPS meta should be, 1 Pure, 1-2 Medium and 1-2 Hyper utility, i've linked post that detail how i wanted this, i've never said i don't think BLM should be meta in speeds, my complaints are that BLM can't work with RDM and that the gap between RDM/SMN and BLM is far too big. NONE of the casters are that hard, as none of the jobs in this game are that difficult. BLM isn't way harder than RDM/SMN and if you asked. Most would say SMN is the hardest caster with how clunky it is. (Should we make it the meta pick?) please stop with this braindead position. nobody wants to take your speed kill spot, we just don't want to be literal detriments to the raid because BLM is THAT much better than RDM and SMN.

they haven't. mathematically they're goal just results in stormblood 2.0. despite what jobs they mention for a meta group, you would get a better outcome with a pure 4/4 utility circle jerk group. I think you don't know the game you're playing, and have zero experience with what this game has been.

and I'm right on that
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed


so please, tell me more on your vast knowledge on the subject. denied=/= disproved

https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/.../jack%20cinder


Why don't you explain yours, I can surely explain mine and what gives you the right to judge someone else