Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Razard]

FFXI Dancer can heal using it's Curing Walts using TP for healing, as long as your ACC hits and use your steps ( Box step, quick step, Feather step or stutter step) and use reverse flourish to get your TP back from performing Finishing Moved, you can perform as a healer if necessary.

And Dancer can acts like a hybrid but could also be a good Debuffing DD job

Sing it with me now!

A) Shunned from group play, where specialization for efficiency is king, for being meh at everything

To be fair people only used the class for Sub Jobbing. Doesn't really help when your best part is making another job better.

Also Red mage isn't there for Refreshing anymore, they have GEO and BRD from that now

So what you are saying is RDM got bumped down from:

B) Only kept around for the one thing they inexplicably do well

To

A) Shunned from group play, where specialization for efficiency is king, for being meh at everything

[Wolfsbane706]

In summation, the problem with RDM is the Trinity?

[Jkap_Goat]

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To be fair, I main Dancer with a subjob for /WAR to get the best damage output for me

My point I'm getting at is there is room for hybrid, while a white mage can perform better at healing, if played right or if the white mage does, can be a good healer

"So what you are saying is RDM got bumped down from:
B) Only kept around for the one thing they inexplicably do well
To
A) Shunned from group play, where specialization for efficiency is king, for being meh at everything

And no, red mage is not shunned from group play, i see people asking for Red mage for endgame content all the time in FFXI in the chat

Here is a guide for you for FFXI red mage since you don't know what FFXI red mage is anymore


https://youtu.be/weFGFpHmcNY

[Razard]

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So anecdotes and a vid that I don't care to watch.

Ok hun this has been an adorable non sequitur, but it doesn't really help anything or really help what "afflicts" RDM in this game. And good job admitting that a lot of the complaints are "It isn't FFXI (insert pet job) so it sucks". New and original.

[Duelle]

And no, red mage is not shunned from group play, i see people asking for Red mage for endgame content all the time in FFXI in the chat

Barring Dynamis-Divergence, RDM is not ideal to have in a group. You get more damage out of a SMN or heavy-hitting melee (WAR, DRK, SAM), WHM is orders of magnitude better at healing, GEO has better debuffs and of course BRD/COR give better buffs. Funnily enough (because the more things change...) the least penalized contribution a RDM can make is cover healing. I'd know, as I've been going RDM/WHM for events since I joined an event LS back in January (where I was the only person in the shell that was interested in RDM).

I can attest to it feeling nice to have all those extra spells XI's RDM has. The price to pay for that is mediocre results in pretty much everything. Sure, the XI RDM can survive longer than most other jobs without anyone's help, but that means diddly squat in the context of a game meant to be multiplayer.

[Katie_Kitty]

In summation, the problem with RDM is the Trinity?

That's the excuse, not necessarily the problem. People either don't have the guts or the creativity to make it work.

[Jkap_Goat]

So anecdotes and a vid that I don't care to watch.

Ok hun this has been an adorable non sequitur, but it doesn't really help anything or really help what "afflicts" RDM in this game. And good job admitting that a lot of the complaints are "It isn't FFXI (insert pet job) so it sucks". New and original.

What? Your saying that FFXI is a Refresh Not while it's not like that in current FFXI so it seemed like you needed an update.

FFXI red mage is what a red mage should be I think, FFXIV red mage should also use enfeebling spells

Well to be fair, FFXIV battle is a shallow pond of water, there is no depth, just DPS, and that's someone whose been playing the game since 2.0

[Auryan]

What? Your saying that FFXI is a Refresh Not while it's not like that in current FFXI so it seemed like you needed an update.

FFXI red mage is what a red mage should be I think, FFXIV red mage should also use enfeebling spells

Well to be fair, FFXIV battle is a shallow pond of water, there is no depth, just DPS, and that's someone whose been playing the game since 2.0

He's probably speaking from someone who played during XI's lvl 75 heyday, as oppose to what it is now. And as someone who also played XI I think he exaggerates, but I don't think he's wrong in how he addresses the way XI handled RDM and the other jobs.
And not to be rude or anything, but you pretty much proved his point in that you let your experience from XI cloud the way you see other iterations of the jobs in other games. It almost feels like you'd much rather go play XI's version of the jobs than XIV. Which is fine, but you shouldn't expect XIV to take direct notes from XI. That's just unrealistic.

[Jkap_Goat]

If FFXIV had a Support Role, Red mage, Bard, Dancer,Summoner would fit right in

[Razard]

If FFXIV had a Support Role, Red mage, Bard, Dancer,Summoner would fit right in

Oh yes I remember Summoner being a "Support" class in FFXI. Do you know how many of my own spells I used for leveling in groups?

None.

Also Thanks for proving my point. This has been a nice little aside, but unless you want to address my actual point in my original post, which was how does any of this help RDM in THIS game, good day. By the way XIV isn't "shallow" It just doesn't have arbitrary rip currents that suck you underwater.