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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. a person regarded as having no substance or integrity. (My BLM will be useless if utility dps get any buffs regardless of how much those buffs help)(If BLM did 500 more total raid contribution than rdm, people would still take it for speeds)

    It wasn't? Pray tell why Black mage was in the fastest kill times for both O12 savage fights, as high as 2nd place of o9s and 4th place for o10s. the only fight BLM wasn't present in the top 10 for was o11s
    thats a pretty meta relevant position to be in. meanwhile, rdm isn't top 10 in any of them, but the gap between RDM and BLM is nowhere what it is now. you were so blind as to how good BLM was doing in alphascape, you missed the success it was having.

    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/25
    ah, cheesing with smn buffing a blm. that wasn't from the blm. thats a smn making a blm relevant. right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    ah, cheesing with smn buffing a blm. that wasn't from the blm. thats a smn making a blm relevant. right
    And there it is, this is why i can't take you seriously. complete ignorance to the fact that it doesn't matter how good SMN was doing, BLM was doing just as good with it. SMN was better sure, but BLM was still good enough to be relevant.

    yet you, a war torn BLM who's seen the worst utility metas do to pdps jobs ignore the accomplishments of what a BLM did in that supposed hyper utility meta. You don't want balance, you don't want good balance for BLM, you just hate utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    And there it is, this is why i can't take you seriously. complete ignorance to the fact that it doesn't matter how good SMN was doing, BLM was doing just as good with it. SMN was better sure, but BLM was still good enough to be relevant.

    yet you, a war torn BLM who's seen the worst utility metas do to pdps jobs ignore the accomplishments of what a BLM did in that supposed hyper utility meta. You don't want balance, you don't want good balance for BLM, you just hate utility.
    again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously. the reason i just said. smn should never have even been near where it was. I just hate utility? I just hate people who think 4/4 utility jobs should be meta. timing your buffs aren't hard, its in your damn rotation. funny thing about cooldowns that are simmilar cds, they line up if you aren't braindead in playing your job, its not an excuse for it being better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously.
    Hasn't Wayfinder3 already denied that assertion of yours? I think you may be misreading things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    Hasn't Wayfinder3 already denied that assertion of yours? I think you may be misreading things.
    they haven't. mathematically they're goal just results in stormblood 2.0. despite what jobs they mention for a meta group, you would get a better outcome with a pure 4/4 utility circle jerk group. I think you don't know the game you're playing, and have zero experience with what this game has been.

    and I'm right on that
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
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    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed


    so please, tell me more on your vast knowledge on the subject. denied=/= disproved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    again, there it is, why i can't take the person who wants rdm to be meta for speed runs seriously. the reason i just said. smn should never have even been near where it was. I just hate utility? I just hate people who think 4/4 utility jobs should be meta. timing your buffs aren't hard, its in your damn rotation. funny thing about cooldowns that are simmilar cds, they line up if you aren't braindead in playing your job, its not an excuse for it being better.
    I've never claimed any of this and on this same day in this same post i told you how i felt the DPS meta should be, 1 Pure, 1-2 Medium and 1-2 Hyper utility, i've linked post that detail how i wanted this, i've never said i don't think BLM should be meta in speeds, my complaints are that BLM can't work with RDM and that the gap between RDM/SMN and BLM is far too big. NONE of the casters are that hard, as none of the jobs in this game are that difficult. BLM isn't way harder than RDM/SMN and if you asked. Most would say SMN is the hardest caster with how clunky it is. (Should we make it the meta pick?) please stop with this braindead position. nobody wants to take your speed kill spot, we just don't want to be literal detriments to the raid because BLM is THAT much better than RDM and SMN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    they haven't. mathematically they're goal just results in stormblood 2.0. despite what jobs they mention for a meta group, you would get a better outcome with a pure 4/4 utility circle jerk group. I think you don't know the game you're playing, and have zero experience with what this game has been.

    and I'm right on that
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...&mode=detailed


    so please, tell me more on your vast knowledge on the subject. denied=/= disproved
    https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/.../jack%20cinder


    Why don't you explain yours, I can surely explain mine and what gives you the right to judge someone else
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    Last edited by Wayfinder3; 09-20-2019 at 10:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    I've never claimed any of this and on this same day in this same post i told you how i felt the DPS meta should be, 1 Pure, 1-2 Medium and 1-2 Hyper utility, i've linked post that detail how i wanted this, i've never said i don't think BLM should be meta in speeds, my complaints are that BLM can't work with RDM and that the gap between RDM/SMN and BLM is far too big. NONE of the casters are that hard, as none of the jobs in this game are that difficult. BLM isn't way harder than RDM/SMN and if you asked. Most would say SMN is the hardest caster with how clunky it is. (Should we make it the meta pick?) please stop with this braindead position. nobody wants to take your speed kill spot, we just don't want to be literal detriments to the raid because BLM is THAT much better than RDM and SMN.



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    Why don't you explain yours, I can surely explain mine
    for being in a midcore casual static that barely goes a few hours a week, high purple and orange is pretty decent imo. dafuq's your excuse for being as much a tryhard and playing a supposed bad job. that isn't very tryhard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    for being in a midcore casual static that barely goes a few hours a week, high purple and orange is pretty decent imo. dafuq's your excuse for being as much a tryhard and playing a supposed bad job
    excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night
    I highlighted this part, because I'm in the same boat.

    All the "Black mage would still be good in speedkills" doesn't mean much if we're not speedkilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night
    excuses? lmao. I work 72 hours a damn week and some kid who doesn't understand basic math and does nothing but play rdm while competing against virtually zero rdm has a better score.
    imagine.
    my.
    shock.

    not sure what you were really trying to gain with this
    do tell me more
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    Last edited by Zerathor; 09-20-2019 at 10:00 AM.