Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

[Renato]

Issue stems that Japanese companies tend to favor crossovers whenever they can. Good or bad, it is kinda a well tried and true marketing tool for them. It is kind of like social networking between companies to have such odd things to cross over's. isekai quartet is kinda of an extreme example of this, Capcom vs Street fighter is another more famous one (morphing into MVC that we know today.) And people like myself will eat it all up, Heck I would be totally down for a Warcraft x Final fantasy cross over, bloody love to see how square would design the Lich King.

I get it. I don't agree with it ALL the time but I get it. I love the VS Capcom games. I'm all for a good crossover...something that fits into the game as an small event or a random cameo or nod to a character or franchise but not as a full 24 man raid which in this game mainly revolves around the FFXIV storyline. We've done crossovers with games outside of the FF realm before with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Yokai watch and GARO which were on a smaller level.

What some people are missing outside of their excitement or just the lack of care is the fact that the raids will influence the world building and lore of FFXIV. We know Ivalice exists in Eorzea due to the Ivalice Raids. We know time travel is possible from Alexander. We know dimension hopping (what seem to be various FF worlds) is possible from the Alexander quests. So what, now we're dimension hopping to other game worlds? Is that the excuse they're using to shoehorn other franchises into the game? FF has YEARS content that FFXIV could draw influence from. Nier doesn't need to be in this game as a source of mainline content...at all.

Like I said, I know some people don't care about this stuff and just want to see their favorite waifu in FFXIV but in some ways it makes the lore and the game itself feel very messy. PSO2 suffers from this literally just throwing every popular game, anime and even movie character into it's game to the point where now it doesn't know what the hell it wants to be. Not saying this is going to happen with FFXIV. I really don't know what will come of it until it's finally released. It just rubs me the wrong way.

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Also, it just feels wrong for a non-FF game to get such a starring role here, taking up an entire alliance raid (an ongoing core gameplay mode) rather than a temporary special event - it's a bigger feature than several actual Final Fantasy crossovers have had. What's so special about this one game to get this treatment? Or does it mean we'll have more crossovers like this in future, turning FFXIV from its own thing into a patchwork of bits from other stories? I realise that's what it's already doing with other FF games, but at least there are boundaries and a theme to doing that.

^^This...exactly this.

[Arthrun]

I get it. I don't agree with it ALL the time but I get it. I love the VS Capcom games. I'm all for a good crossover...something that fits into the game as an small event or a random cameo or nod to a character or franchise but not as a full 24 man raid which in this game mainly revolves around the FFXIV storyline. We've done crossovers with games outside of the FF realm before with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Yokai watch and GARO which were on a smaller level.

What some people are missing outside of their excitement or just the lack of care of is the fact that the raids will influence the world building and lore of FFXIV. We know Ivalice exists in Eorzea due to the Ivalice Raids. We know time travel is possible from Alexander. We know dimension hopping (what seem to be various FF worlds) is possible from the Alexander quests. So what, now we're dimension hopping to other game worlds? Is that the excuse they're using to shoehorn other franchises into the game? FF has YEARS content that FFXIV could draw influence from. Nier doesn't need to be in this game...at all.

Like I said, I know some people don't care about this stuff and just want to see their favorite waifu in FFXIV but in some ways it makes the lore and the game itself feel very messy. PSO2 suffers from this literally just throwing every popular game, anime and even movie character into it's game to the point where now it doesn't know what the hell it wants to be. Not saying this is going to happen with FFXIV. I really don't know what will come of it until it's finally released. It just rubs me the wrong way.

I totally get where you are coming from. All comes down to how it is presented. (at least in my mind.) Neir can mesh well if written right. I never understood the monster hunter event so ..... perhaps that just a taste that I would accept one thing and not another? Considering how many consider Shadowbringers story good writing I am just going to let it go and say "lets see what happens". I would have confidence they could do it right.... would I trust Blizzard to write a decent cross over explanation? OH GOD NO.

[TheMightyMollusk]

The Monster Hunter crossover fits in just fine, because it just presents Rathalos as an elite hunt mark. There's no great stretch involved, no major story, just "here's a talking cat, he wants you to kill a dragon". And the talking cat himself isn't a stretch, since we see talking animals all the time (Matoya's poroggo familiars, Cait Sith in the Shadows of Mhach storyline, etc).

[Rangar]

First, while people all going off about glams, can we also have the weapons from the Nier franchise too to get our hands on.

As for everyone who hates this crossover, we thank you for your opinion, but, it's coming, and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Stop getting into arguments over canon and why it should or shouldn't be in the game before anyone even knows what's going to happen in the story. The game has a massive following, Nier has already been crossed over into other games, and people have been begging for it to be done in here to. The fact that YoshiP and Yoko Taro were even able to agree to this, is a small miracle by itself; these two directors are nothing alike -- like mixing oil and water, and I'm really curious about what we're in store for. And given the kinds of introspective subject matter Yoko Taru is known for, it's not gonna appeal to everyone, and I'm sure there's gonna be tons of people just skipping the cut-scenes and conclude the content is crap; and that's fine, heck, I can even respect it if people actually think about what's going on and still not care for it, but don't grief people for wanting this.

Yeah, I'm sure most will be playing it for the memes; but knowing the story of Nier, I think this raid could be very appropriate in the end.

"Everything that lives, is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending cycle of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god that blessed us with this cryptic puzzle. And wonder if we'll ever have the chance to kill him (or her)?" - Nier:Automata

[TaleraRistain]

Kingdom Hearts has an even more massive following and could fit in just as easily as Nier but it doesn't belong here affecting the lore of this game either. It would have been fine for another timed collaboration. This is giving it far too much presence in an MMO based around a completely unrelated game series.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Kingdom Hearts is also tied to Disney. Don't give the Mouse ideas. He owns enough.

[linay]

From what I can see it doesn't look like there been much interest in actually integrating this into 14 and more just about appealing to Nier players and trying to push Nier.

Considering we haven't seen much of anything, this conclusion is invalid. In fact, given past stories, unless they made a big mistake with this, it should be integrated just as any story side quests in FFXIV because, again, it's a story that is happening in the world of FFXIV. You don't have to play Nier or care about it to enjoy a new addition to the story of FFXIV, as this will be.

[MikuMitsuko]

I've been hating on this raid since it was announced and I'm doing my best to not...and to give it a chance. I don't want to be that person who's never played the games but says that it's overrated or overhyped because of what I've seen from it. But at the same time I DO feel like it's been a bit overhyped and just looks like another hack & slash RPG with another generic waifu that's got a fat ass.

My biggest gripe is the fact that it has no relationship with FFXIV. Once again, my favorite MMORPG is being whored to help the sales of another game. This was first done with FF7:Remake and FFXV as we've all heard the rumors that a lot of the income that FFXIV brought in was used for those games. And now Nier. Yoshi P Even mentioned this during the live letter saying, "If you've finished the 5.0 storyline, I strongly suggest you go out and buy Nier: Automata." Like...it's cool for a crossover event, but to create a whole raid based off of a game that has no relationship to FF at all that is supposed to have some kind of relationship with ShB lore is just odd to me.

Sorry for ranting...I know people enjoy the game. And hell, I might even like it if I played it. But honestly, I'm tired of 2B and Nier stuff being used in damn near EVERYTHING nowadays (PSO2, FFXIV, Soul Calibur 6, FF: Brave Exvius, Gravity Rush, Monster Hunter to name a few) and I'm just kind of disappointed because ShB is a great Final Fantasy game. I wish it focused on FF lore and building something original instead of using something that has nothing to do with it.

ok...Rant over

^ This 100%. And I shouldn't need to pay forty bucks to understand the story for new content - especially when said content has absolutely nothing to do with the game series. It's just a giant fanservice advertisement even though they're likely going to shoehorn it into the lore. We could be getting a raid relevant to the world, pre-existing lore, and characters but no here's Waifu with a Sword #5461.

[Alleo]

I already find quite some fanservice from other FF games too much so I am even less happy about this being a whole raid. Of course they could try to fit this into the lore but I will always know that this comes from another franchise. Its like suddenly having a whole raid about Pokemon or stuff like that ingame.

I honestly want more completely original raids in this game. Something which FF14 can use to stand out from all the FF games. Maybe with bosses that themselves will become iconic along the way and be used in other FF games. But instead of that they are now taking it even from something not FF related.

Its fine if people enjoy this and are looking forward to it but I dont. Maybe to shock us the whole new NPC cast will be killed of but in the end since its just one side part of the game and cant change much (thankfully) I dont see how it would ever have some of the endings a few people seemingly want.

[Videra]

Nier has nothing to do with FFXIV and I don't care for Yoko Taro's "Look at me, I'm so DEEP AND PHILOSOPHICAL" writing style.

There, I said it. This shouldn't be happening in the first place.