Yo those QOL for DOH & DOL

[Callinon]

Umm no. What is craftings 'savage' equivilance? High end/HQ gear/consumables/etc. Imagine instead of having to think about how you play it, you can just get decent gear and press only 2 macros and beat any boss fight. Yeah, thats the point. It becomes uninteresting and as I described above, entails the content is way to simplified. Crafting is the same way. If its to simple that it can be done without any thinking and just pressing a macro then afking, its probably to simple and uninteresting for its own good.

Why does it need one? Why is it vitally important that crafting have an analog to savage raiding? Crafting in FFXIV is already FAR more in-depth and complex than just about any other crafting system I've ever seen in an MMO. Why is it not enough that when your crafting is higher leveled and your crafting gear is more powerful that you can make better stuff more easily? What's wrong with that?

Seriously if you want precision timing, tight rotations squeezed between GCDs, and team jump rope... go raid. That's what that's for. Crafting doesn't need to be that because we already have it.

Why? I compare the highest tier content of one branch of content to the highest tier of content in another branch of content, I don't get why people put combat gameplay (raiding in particular) at a sacred pedestal as the only piece of content that should ever be allowed to have any value or difficulty at all attached to it. Just because crafting right now is just to copy-paste a macro and then press a button to do said macro does not mean it has to be. I get it, it is as in the nature of the task not the same thing and should not have the same gameplay as most people who mainly craft are out after other kind of content than raiding. Of corse it would be different content, but it would not just be to spam one button for hours as the endgame for it.

It's not about putting anything on a pedestal, it's about recognizing that crafting and combat are different (I can't even believe I have to explain this).

Let me tell you too, when I'm sitting there making dozens of collectibles for scrip turn-ins I'm GRATEFUL I don't have to pay attention to it. I've worked out the macro sequence I'm going to use, I've spent my time gathering up the materials for everything I'm going to make, and then I sit here and watch Netflix while pressing macros for 3 hours until I'm done. I don't want to have to sit here for dozens or hundreds of crafts playing whack-a-mole or Simon. It's seriously ok for crafting to not be combat. That's ok. That's actually GOOD. It's GOOD to have that difference in gameplay.

[NanaWiloh]

K, one last time and then I'll just report your post. Crafting is nothing like raiding. The two cannot be compared. Your only crafting class has like 4 maybe 5 buttons to hit that are viable to get something crafted. You don't even KNOW the abilities people are using in their macros because you haven't even unlocked them. You know nothing about top tier crafting. That's got to be the reason you think that crafting is like raiding. There's no other explanation. The two are nothing alike. There. I'm done with you. Your entire argument is that you don't like using macros in crafting because you shouldn't use macros in raiding. That's your one and done argument and it's been shot to hell by multiple people on this thread. Keep it up and you'll get reported for trolling.

Her crafting knowledge may not be as vast as someone who has leveled every crafter like some of us have. But isnt a bit much to call her out as a troll?

[Melichoir]

K, one last time and then I'll just report your post. Crafting is nothing like raiding. The two cannot be compared. Your only crafting class has like 4 maybe 5 buttons to hit that are viable to get something crafted. You don't even KNOW the abilities people are using in their macros because you haven't even unlocked them. You know nothing about top tier crafting. That's got to be the reason you think that crafting is like raiding. There's no other explanation. The two are nothing alike. There. I'm done with you. Your entire argument is that you don't like using macros in crafting because you shouldn't use macros in raiding. That's your one and done argument and it's been shot to hell by multiple people on this thread. Keep it up and you'll get reported for trolling.

You are free to report. Go for it? Ive been giving my thoughts in earnest, but you keep assuming otherwise.

That being said, ive clarified my point several times, and you keep dismissing it out of assumptions or focusing on an example given (poor or not). We're at an impasse because you keep making assumptions rather than addressing my core point - macros mean crafting is to simplistic and formulaic and possible changes may mean getting rid of macros. Something youre opposed to cause you want crafting to be simplistic.

But you can report for trolling if you feel strongly about it. I think its garbage that youre now issuing threats of reporting to make sure I dont speak my thoughts, but ok. You do you.

[Nabril]

You are free to report. Go for it? Ive been giving my thoughts in earnest, but you keep assuming otherwise.

That being said, ive clarified my point several times, and you keep dismissing it out of assumptions or focusing on an example given (poor or not). We're at an impasse because you keep making assumptions rather than addressing my core point - macros mean crafting is to simplistic and formulaic and possible changes may mean getting rid of macros. Something youre opposed to cause you want crafting to be simplistic.

But you can report for trolling if you feel strongly about it. I think its garbage that youre now issuing threats of reporting to make sure I dont speak my thoughts, but ok. You do you.

Go back and read Callinon's reply to you. She says it all there. You simply continue to ignore it. There is no clarification capable of comparing two things that are as different as crafting and raiding. Read her reply.

[Big_Bap]

This is almost more entertaining that the housing forums. Almost.

[NanaWiloh]

This is almost more entertaining that the housing forums. Almost.

I find the housing forum to be far more entertaining.

[Callinon]

This is almost more entertaining that the housing forums. Almost.

That's impossible.

[Lunavi]

Let me tell you too, when I'm sitting there making dozens of collectibles for scrip turn-ins I'm GRATEFUL I don't have to pay attention to it. I've worked out the macro sequence I'm going to use, I've spent my time gathering up the materials for everything I'm going to make, and then I sit here and watch Netflix while pressing macros for 3 hours until I'm done. I don't want to have to sit here for dozens or hundreds of crafts playing whack-a-mole or Simon. It's seriously ok for crafting to not be combat. That's ok. That's actually GOOD. It's GOOD to have that difference in gameplay.

Did you read a single word about what I wrote? I literally wrote several time that gameplay would be different from combat and I also said that this would be about the highest end content for crafting (such as stared recipes for example, and even then just end-products such as gear or food), not collectibles. The only thing being asked for is to not make macro-crafting the be all end all.

[MomomiMomi]

I've yet to hear a single idea from you anti-macros other than, "make it interesting, but not complicated." Why don't one of you type up a proposal with legitimate examples and we'll show you why it'll get boring after 5 minutes of using it.

When did I ever say I'm anti-macro? I'm not. I've been using macros to craft for years.

All I implied is that crafting as it exists right now is incredibly boring. I would like that to change.

I've seen a few people say that the crafting system is already one of the most complex there are. And when you compare it to crafting systems that just require you have the materials and you press one button and succeed, that's true. But with how crafting currently is, that complexity isn't achieving anything but making it take longer to craft. There is no thought going into the craft at all. Instead of "Press 1 to craft." we have "Press 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,... 25 to craft." They are both essentially the same thing, one just takes much longer to do.

[Driavna]

All I implied is that crafting as it exists right now is incredibly boring. I would like that to change.

Is the same system since release but with new skills to bypass dealing with RNG.