"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Vahlnir]

At this point the only thing I can really say is:

Just like how Ultimate fights aren't made for everyone.

And Savage isn't for everyone.

Maaaaaaaaaybe this content isn't for everyone, too.

While true, this is yet another feature that could benefit from appealing to as many people as possible. What they really did wasn't...well, that. And that's largely okay...it just seems like something they do a lot. Hype a feature up, only to disappoint people when the details emerge.

[Iscah]

You mean those where you had to take the role of NPC's and defeat the major baddie in that chapter? I hated those. I had to intentionally fail them until I got the Echo buff, so I could just get them over with.

There are lots of solo instances throughout the MSQ where you are in control of your own character and have unique objectives.

Some examples that come to mind:
- rescuing Raubahn from Halatali
- the second raid on the Vault accompanied by Aymeric and Artoirel
- the Grand Melee and solo fight with Raubahn
- the Naadam
- job quest battles

There are lots more but that's enough to give the idea.

[Melichoir]

While true, this is yet another feature that could benefit from appealing to as many people as possible. What they really did wasn't...well, that. And that's largely okay..it just seems like something they do a lot. Hype a feature up, only to disappoint people when the details emerge.

Dont ever recall them stating youd get exp and rewards with it. Again, this point was not a typical point brought up in most discussions regarding NG+. It almost always was about being able to replay parts of FFXIV, not be a tool for leveling. So as far as I know, they never hyped the feature as a means of leveling. They hyped it as "Hey, you can replay some of your favorite MSQ stuff," and left it at that. Anything beyond that is the playerbase hyping it.

Beyond this, I do wonder if people even consider the ramifications of adding exp to it? Far as I know, theyve never said it wont give exp (I could be mistaken), but if there was 0 consequence to having exp and everything going for it do it that way, the devs wouldve just added that aspect. But I suspect that why you dont get exp is that itd screw with other leveling aspects of the game to much.

[Vahlnir]

Dont ever recall them stating youd get exp and rewards with it. Again, this point was not a typical point brought up in most discussions regarding NG+. It almost always was about being able to replay parts of FFXIV, not be a tool for leveling. So as far as I know, they never hyped the feature as a means of leveling. They hyped it as "Hey, you can replay some of your favorite MSQ stuff," and left it at that. Anything beyond that is the playerbase hyping it.

Beyond this, I do wonder if people even consider the ramifications of adding exp to it? Far as I know, theyve never said it wont give exp (I could be mistaken), but if there was 0 consequence to having exp and everything going for it do it that way, the devs wouldve just added that aspect. But I suspect that why you dont get exp is that itd screw with other leveling aspects of the game to much.

It was never said, no. And personally I would have been surprised if they kept ALL of the rewards available for players going through NG+. Exp though? I figured that was a safe bet. Sadly I lost that bet, but there was always a chance of that happening. That's fine though, it really is. People can spam PotD and HoH and Fates to get themselves to 70 (and you know, buy their way through jump potions), probably in a shorter time frame compared to NG+. I don't really see the issue there. It wouldn't mess with any sort of balance. It would just add another option and that's not a bad thing. MMOs thrive on replay value, after all. I just think NG+ could be made better (and used by many) if people could gain exp from it.

[TaleraRistain]

I'll be kind of disappointed if they don't have exp rewards. I remember when has come up in the past on the forums here, a big reason people wanted it was to give more variety in leveling alt classes so it wasn't just a grind fest. It does seem the perfect thing they could do to encourage people to have more than one class. It doesn't have to give the other rewards, but I think they're missing an opportunity if it doesn't help level alt classes.

[HyoMinPark]

While true, this is yet another feature that could benefit from appealing to as many people as possible. What they really did wasn't...well, that. And that's largely okay...it just seems like something they do a lot. Hype a feature up, only to disappoint people when the details emerge.

The feature was never advertised to grant experience or be an alternative way to level other jobs. If people were expecting that and hyped themselves up over it, they only have themselves to blame for their disappointment. New Game Plus was only ever advertised as a feature to replay previously completed quests.

[Vahlnir]

The feature was never advertised to grant experience or be an alternative way to level other jobs. If people were expecting that and hyped themselves up over it, they only have themselves to blame for their disappointment. New Game Plus was only ever advertised as a feature to replay previously completed quests.

I'm aware. See above.

[ForteNightshade]

It was never said, no. And personally I would have been surprised if they kept ALL of the rewards available for players going through NG+. Exp though? I figured that was a safe bet. Sadly I lost that bet, but there was always a chance of that happening. That's fine though, it really is. People can spam PotD and HoH and Fates to get themselves to 70 (and you know, buy their way through jump potions), probably in a shorter time frame compared to NG+. I don't really see the issue there. It wouldn't mess with any sort of balance. It would just add another option and that's not a bad thing. MMOs thrive on replay value, after all. I just think NG+ could be made better (and used by many) if people could gain exp from it.

I'll reiterate what I posted from earlier. The first twenty one quests (70-71) awards 10,060,00 Million EXP. This is more than the MSQ Roulette at a comparable level. In fact, it's nearly the equivalent Mt. Gulg offers. If you skipped every cut scene, it'd likely take less than a half hour, thus making NG+ the best leveling method by a landslide. And you could then restart and get that 10M+ all over again with no limitations.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm aware. See above.

It was never said, no. And personally I would have been surprised if they kept ALL of the rewards available for players going through NG+. Exp though? I figured that was a safe bet. Sadly I lost that bet, but there was always a chance of that happening. That's fine though, it really is. People can spam PotD and HoH and Fates to get themselves to 70 (and you know, buy their way through jump potions), probably in a shorter time frame compared to NG+. I don't really see the issue there. It wouldn't mess with any sort of balance. It would just add another option and that's not a bad thing. MMOs thrive on replay value, after all. I just think NG+ could be made better (and used by many) if people could gain exp from it.

What I said still applies. Especially to the bolded part. At least you acknowledge that you were setting yourself up for disappointment. Others seem to have just expected it, and then have thrown a fit that it’s not meeting their expectations.

People would just spam the beginnings of an MSQ for easy experience. They wouldn’t use it for the intended purpose of replaying the story—it would become an EXP farm (complete with cutscene skipping) and nothing more. The intended purpose isn’t another avenue for leveling. It’s for the replay experience for those who want to do the story again—a feature that’s been requested many times in the past without asking for rewards to be tied to it.

MMOs thrive on replay value, after all.

Which is exactly what this is offering. People are just angry that they can’t get free shinies from it.

[Vahlnir]

What I said still applies. Especially to the bolded part. At least you acknowledge that you were setting yourself up for disappointment. Others seem to have just expected it, and then have thrown a fit that it’s not meeting their expectations.

People would just spam the beginnings of an MSQ for easy experience. They wouldn’t use it for the intended purpose of replaying the story—it would become an EXP farm (complete with cutscene skipping) and nothing more. The intended purpose isn’t another avenue for leveling. It’s for the replay experience for those who want to do the story again—a feature that’s been requested many times in the past without asking for rewards to be tied to it.



Which is exactly what this is offering. People are just angry that they can’t get free shinies from it.

To be fair, people rarely use content as it was originally intended. Look at the MSQ roulette debacle or even Eureka. But I suppose I get what you're saying. I wasn't looking at it from a "doing it just because" point of view, though that's obviously the way the devs intend to implement NG+. I have no issue with that though, I really don't. I may even replay some of it myself sometime.