"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Machi_Machiavelli]

Just like a majority will not:

- Complete all or even half the side-quests
- Complete Savage
- Complete Ultimate
- Unlock or level Crafters
- Unlock or level Gathers
- Unlock or level all combat jobs
- Unlock or level Blue Mage
- Unlock Perform
- Partake in Gold Saucer mini-games
- Partake in PvP
- Grind for mounts or minions
- Obtain a relic

I could continue for quite a while. Not every feature is intended for everyone. Hence why this is a theme park MMO. It simply needs to be worth the time dedicated. Considering NG+ likely did not cost much in terms of resources based on it necessitating nothing new beside some backend coding. It's inclusion has no bearing on you or those disinterested in it.

Never said it did. My original comment stated that I'm sure the few who do use it will be happy.

[LaylaTsarra]

Never said it did. My original comment stated that I sure the few who do use it will be happy.

You mean the droves of people who will do it will be very happy and the minority here on the forum who say it won't be popular will just have to live with the reality when it's a big success.

See how that works.

Seriously you don't have a clue as to how many will use it so let me suggest YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and not speak for the community.

[SerLuke]

Among other things. Like the issue with people skipping the MSQ roulette, SE reworking MSQ, etc. Yes, the majority will not use NQ+ simply because they love the story.

Sure the majority won’t use it, but why did the majority need to use it? Only a small minority of people do the ultimate raids, I don’t, but I’m not going to argue SE take that away. It’s okay for people to enjoy and do things you don’t want. Again not sure how this is equating to 3-4 people?

[Machi_Machiavelli]

Sure the majority won’t use it, but why did the majority need to use it? Only a small minority of people do the ultimate raids, I don’t, but I’m not going to argue SE take that away. It’s okay for people to enjoy and do things you don’t want. Again not sure how this is equating to 3-4 people?

I'm sure you know I was being facetious. 3-4 people meaning not enough people to even warrant the feature if it doesn't at least still give XP. Because again, not many people are going to replay the story just to replay it.

[KadaRemnant]

I'm sure you know I was being facetious. 3-4 people meaning not enough people to even warrant the feature if it doesn't at least still give XP. Because again, not many people are going to replay the story just to replay it.

I will. Because i fell in love with ffxiv for its beautiful and amazing story. You don't speak for everyone.
Also the forums represent a very low % of ffxiv community. I know more than 4 people who love the story. Lol
And ffxiv is a story-driven mmo, it is the core.

[Tsalmaveth]

That's 100% an assumption that you can't even prove that you're throwing out there to try to back up an opinion about something you don't like because it doesn't have something you want. :weary:

[KadaRemnant]

Seriously... People can't show respect for everyone's tastes. It is so disrespecful. There are many ways people play this game and the story is one of them.
Live with it. Not everyone is the same and play differently and everyone intitled to have something for them.
It is not a waste of ressources, it will make many happy, including me.

[Nemmar]

Seriously... People can't show respect for everyone's tastes. It is so disrespecful. There are many ways people play this game and the story is one of them.
Live with it. Not everyone is the same and play differently and everyone intitled to have something for them.
It is not a waste of ressources, it will make many happy, including me.

You do not understand. This is not about the people who will use the feature as is. Yes, there are some people, like you who are perfectly happy with this feature as is. For you, that is enough.

But, for others it is not what they had imagined. You just have to look at games like SWTOR and GW2 to see that their repeatable story segments give not only XP, but have all manner of extra difficulty levels, challenges and achievements with all sort of rewards. That is the level we have been presented to such features (at least in the west, wich might be the problem). The way it is being presented to us in FFXIV is not to a level we are happy with. It is a very poor effort for something that is taking so many resources. So, i don't think it is unreasonable for it to at least give XP so people can enjoy leveling a job while doing the story again. That is what i had in mind and my expectation of this system fell sorely flat.
It's not about you. You are happy, you got what you wanted, it's not gonna go away. But others expected more and want to express that. I think we do deserve a better feature. Would you feel the system would be any less if more was added?

[Melichoir]

snip snap

If its not enough for you, so what? For many, its plenty fine and is being delivered more or less as expected. This keeps coming back to a very important point: People thinking thered be exp when the devs never gave such a confirmation is on those people, not the devs. In a nutshell, the devs said youd be able to replay the MSQ. They never said you could use it to level classes, or get rewards. The assumption to the otherwise is because people were thinking "Oh, that would be nifty if it could!" And they keep pointing to other games who had an NG+ feature, not fully acknowledging that the feature varied from game to game.

Beyond that, who are you to say its a poor effort. You have literally no idea how much effort went into this. Absolutely none, and youre seemingly coming to this conclusion based solely on being disappointed its not providing you with something they never offered. Your expectation only falls flat because you made an assumption about something they never offered. And people are pushing back against you because you are busy tearing into this system because you set yourself up for disappointment and have in this thread expressed some hyperbolic statements. For those who love the idea of replaying, would it matter if it had exp? No, dont think anyone is seriously saying it would be ruined by having exp. But theyre not arguing that its a "poor effort for something taking so many resources" because theyre getting exactly what was offered.

Beyond that, why the devs would or wouldnt add exp is anyones guess. You assume its cause theyre lazy or some easily avoidable failing of theirs, but considering a lot of what the devs do for the community on the limited resources nad manpower actually dedicated to FFXIV, they give us a bit. It's not always a smash hit, and sometimes it does rely on legacy things. No one is gonna really deny that, but its kinda messed up that you are pulling out an argument about poor effort simply because you had some personal expectation they never even suggested or promised.

[ForteNightshade]

You do not understand. This is not about the people who will use the feature as is. Yes, there are some people, like you who are perfectly happy with this feature as is. For you, that is enough.

But, for others it is not what they had imagined. You just have to look at games like SWTOR and GW2 to see that their repeatable story segments give not only XP, but have all manner of extra difficulty levels, challenges and achievements with all sort of rewards. That is the level we have been presented to such features (at least in the west, wich might be the problem). The way it is being presented to us in FFXIV is not to a level we are happy with. It is a very poor effort for something that is taking so many resources. So, i don't think it is unreasonable for it to at least give XP so people can enjoy leveling a job while doing the story again. That is what i had in mind and my expectation of this system fell sorely flat.
It's not about you. You are happy, you got what you wanted, it's not gonna go away. But others expected more and want to express that. I think we do deserve a better feature. Would you feel the system would be any less if more was added?

You really need to stop speaking in absolutes. They never presented New Game+ as an alternate leveling experience. In fact, they did precisely the opposite through their emphasise on it being for those who wanted to replay the story. Likewise, you keep insisting this costs a ton of resources. While neither of us know for certain. It isn't difficult to speculate the opposite is once again true. High development costs typical occur from art design and animation. Such is why battle content can be among the most expensive aspects of a game. New Game+ has neither of these things. All they have to do is create a system that unchecks the MSQ flag. It's unlikely this costs much considering it's backend coding which doesn't have nearly the equivalent cost.

You continue to draw this correlation between enjoying leveling and the story. You can already "enjoy" leveling through a myriad of ways. For a lot people who wanted New Game+, the story is all they cared about. Adding experience would just see many people mass skipping cut scenes because they never cared about the story to begin with. They just wanted an even faster way to level.