"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Tsalmaveth]

It wouldn't have hurt to put a mount at the end of it. Like finish every single quest get this mount. *shrug* It's an option I think should have been added. Wouldn't have hurt anything.

End of... what? What end? You are literally picking random chapters of the previous story to replay. There is no 'end' for this. This is just 'if you want to replay parts of the story that you really really liked, please look forward to doing so!' and that is all.

There are no goodies involved outside of STORY. There don't need to be. The goodie IS THE STORY. This is 100% a gift for people who wanted THE STORY. There doesn't need to be anything else. At all. Literally everything else in the game has carrots attached to it. This was done because people were BEGGING for ways to redo major story parts that COULD NOT BE DONE otherwise.

And stop telling us to 'go to the inn'. We have heard that enough when bullied in dungeons. By y'all. When bulldozing through the story. Rushing for exp.

[ElazulHP]

End of... what? What end? You are literally picking random chapters of the previous story to replay. There is no 'end' for this. This is just 'if you want to replay parts of the story that you really really liked, please look forward to doing so!' and that is all.

There are no goodies involved outside of STORY. There don't need to be. The goodie IS THE STORY. This is 100% a gift for people who wanted THE STORY. There doesn't need to be anything else. At all. Literally everything else in the game has carrots attached to it. This was done because people were BEGGING for ways to redo major story parts that COULD NOT BE DONE otherwise.

And stop telling us to 'go to the inn'. We have heard that enough when bullied in dungeons. By y'all. When bulldozing through the story. Rushing for exp.

Passive aggressive much? My point was simply that locking a mount behind doing all of the quests in order to incentivize the content would have been nice and not at all harmful to the feature or content. If you don't want to do it then fine. If you do then great have a reward type of thing.

[Iscah]

My point was simply that locking a mount behind doing all of the quests in order to incentivize the content would have been nice and not at all harmful to the feature or content. If you don't want to do it then fine. If you do then great have a reward type of thing.

I think the thing is, why would you need to "incentivise" people to use this feature?

With the current setup, if people want to replay the story, then replaying the story is its own reward and the people engaging with it are enjoying it.

If they offered an exclusive reward like a mount, people who don't care about the story would feel like they have to do it, click through everything and complain about how they were forced to replay the entire MSQ just to get that mount.

So they would possibly have more complaints and negative opinions of the system by doing that.


Also, there are plenty of logistical questions. How do you judge someone has "completed" their MSQ replay when the MSQ itself has not come to an end? Do you have to give a separate reward for every expansion? What's so special about playing the story again that you earn a pile of exclusive items from it? Would this seem like penalising people with alts, who would have to play the MSQ a second time per character if they want those rewards for that particular character?

[Tsalmaveth]

Passive aggressive much? My point was simply that locking a mount behind doing all of the quests in order to incentivize the content would have been nice and not at all harmful to the feature or content. If you don't want to do it then fine. If you do then great have a reward type of thing.

Where was I passive aggressive towards you? Hm? There were other people in this thread tossing out the 'go to the inn' yet again towards those of us saying that there was no need to attach rewards/exp to this feature... As if we hadn't been told to 'go to the inn' for the past few years when doing the MSQ already through every dungeon or group story-point because people 'gotta-go-fast' for their exp. The first line of that reply was directed towards your comment which was 'why not a mount at the end?' and I responded 'there is no "end" for this, it is not linear in design'. And it is not. It is split up into chapters for all of the expansions offered (minus ARR because they are currently in the process of revamping it to streamline it) so that people can pick and choose what they want to reply when they want to replay it. The idea that there would be a 'prize/mount' for people who 'do all the chapters' perhaps? Why? The point of this is an optional thing for people who want to jump in and see something again. There doesn't need to be a reward for doing so. There doesn't need to be a carrot attached to it.

They put a carrot at the end of something optional already: The Amaro Mount. And people are complaining their heads off about it. You don't NEED to get all classes to 80. That's something people CAN do if they WANT to for FUN. And they decided in this expansion to reward you for it. And people are complaining about the reward. >_>

This content is 100% optional, something requested by people who really want to revisit key story points. Especially now that the story is really spinning up into grand moments and conclusions and we're going 'AH HAH!' about things. And noticing things. And might want to go back to things we might have missed. People want to revisit and might not want to use alts to do so. And the devs have worked to provide a way to do it. There don't need to be prizes or rewards or ways to grind attached to it. They obviously didn't intend for there to be.

[Driavna]

It wouldn't have hurt to put a mount at the end of it. Like finish every single quest get this mount. *shrug* It's an option I think should have been added. Wouldn't have hurt anything.

All the rewards for doing the MSQ were given the first time around. If someone wants rewards better do it with a secondary character I guess.

This is a very niche feature, and yes, I think the argument around FFXIV having too many niche features and content can be considered valid.

[Mhaeric]

It's not expressing dissatisfaction that makes you come across as being angry. It's the pissy attitude.

[Voltyblast]

I personally don't mind adding a NG+ - even though you can just restart the whole story from scratch and that's a feature that has been in the game from the start - but my problem is, they actually spent resources on a feature that is, all in all, very niche and might actually be a little late.

I mean how many times people have replayed the game for playing an alt/replaying the story/whatever goes in your mind in the last 6 years? I did it about 4 times even though i never went beyond HW cause i got bored, but others did everything on more than one or two characters.

If this feature was introduced earlier, maybe middle SB, I think it would've been welcome - for me once is more than enough - but now? Heh, give me better BLU or something else than this, no offense.

[Melichoir]

Thiiis is not true. There is a point, usually multiple, in every MSQ where you hit a level wall before the next quest and the only way to scale it was either FATE grinding or a hearty amount of extra dungeoneering. It's easy to forget now that general exp from 1-60 is faster, but it happened when they were relevant (and still does in Shadowbringers quests--the stretch from 78-79-80 needs some dungeons).

ARR especially had it bad around the level 40s.

I leveled through all of ARR just doing MSQ with the possible occassional misc dungeon run here and there. I never hit a level wall that stopped me from progressing. Unless the argument is the few misc runs I did in dungeon kept me ahead of the level cap or that youre referring strictly to 2.0-2.1, what I said is true in my experience and has continued to be true in every xpac. The caveat to that is when I hit a level wall at 79 in SB, and I was roughly 2/3 of the way into 79 at that point. If I had been doing Leveling, Trials roulettes consistently, I wouldve been just fine.

Yes, MSQ is gonna be your leveling go to. Particularly now in that area of content. Furthermore, you still shouldnt have to 'grind' as it currently is. I did one of each of the listed roulettes and did not hit level cap going 70-80. Came close, but again that was cause I wasnt consistent in doing DR.

[Leandras]

I was really looking forward to casually leveling my alts I havent touched since ARR without having to grind the same time gated content that I've done to death at this point. I'm rather surprised that so many here feel so strongly that it needs to be either purely for leveling or purely for story. Giving us exp from playing the quests at the intended level would give us all the best of both.

Those looking to replay the great story will be able to do so and those that want to level their alt jobs differently from how they've been doing it for the past 4 years will have the option as well.

[Melichoir]

I was really looking forward to casually leveling my alts I havent touched since ARR without having to grind the same time gated content that I've done to death at this point. I'm rather surprised that so many here feel so strongly that it needs to be either purely for leveling or purely for story. Giving us exp from playing the quests at the intended level would give us all the best of both.

Those looking to replay the great story will be able to do so and those that want to level their alt jobs differently from how they've been doing it for the past 4 years will have the option as well.

I think the general pushback is against the "NG+ is utter trash now unless you get that sweet EXP/rewards" PoV. I think someone argued why they would even spend resources on it if it doesnt give you exp and everyones gonna hate it. If it has exp, well thats the devs choice. I dont think thats wise for the game's health overall (unless they do a co-op version of MSQ - which would be cool btw. Dunno how itd work, but still). Generally, the response is simply "Who cares if it has exp or not, but stop calling it trash if youre not happy if it might not."