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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    An LB 1 used by a dps is useful because it actually does something. A small something, perhaps, but still something.
    Sure, but honestly: in a dungeon is't not worth getting worked up about it.
    Advise the player (though most will start to intentionally work against you after that just because they can do it to spite you) and then move on.

    Imho they could patch out the LB 1 and 2 altogether, usually I tease our DPS in TS with "Did you miss again? I didn't see the HP bar move" because the damage of these 2 is so ... well.. lets call it "anticlimactic".

    Also LOL at server blacklisting over LB trolling in a dungeon.... these people need to get a grip on reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Also LOL at server blacklisting over LB trolling in a dungeon.... these people need to get a grip on reality.
    The person was new (so I think they weren't trolling in the end. They died to a fair few boss mechanics also), and would probably do it, not just in dungeons, but any end-game content if they didn't learn about it.
    Maybe it wouldn't be as drastic as a server BL, but I can see them being blacklisted from a lot of EX and Savage parties if they kept up with the "healer LB 1 when everyone is at max health, always".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    Maybe it wouldn't be as drastic as a server BL, but I can see them being blacklisted from a lot of EX and Savage parties if they kept up with the "healer LB 1 when everyone is at max health, always".
    Nessa, you worry far too much.
    The dude will get told not to do it. Then he will eventually get kicked (if he does it in an encounter where it would be detrimental to the kill).

    A few kicks later he will change his behavior.

    As a tank in WoW of eld (where aggro was actually a thing) I advised overnuking DPS once. Then I let them tank the mob. They died. Most got the message after 2 deaths, once they realized that their behavior was an actual problem.

    Some humans only learn through pain and failure. As dumb as it sounds and as much as we would like to spare them said pain by passing on our experiences, oftentimes there is no other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    A few kicks later he will change his behavior.
    And he'd be here crying on how elitist and jerks, peoples are*. Corrected, you're welcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintly View Post
    SJW
    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    She is right though... I had three SJW/White Knights in my past 3 months...

    So, SWJ are a serious problem, especially in this game. I like the diversity, but when they block progress by their agenda the fun is over.
    Social Justice Warrior!?

    Being used in a derogatory manner? Unironically? In a video game? In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice? Entirely confined within the area of your kitchen?

    Well, it sure is nice to know the internet has finally nakedly boiled that set of words down to "people I don't like and rebuffed me for my words/actions for just about anything." Imagine thinking any of what was listed here ties into a movement for greater equity in human society, let alone that mad bikini catgirls relate to civil rights movements in some sinister and convoluted manner.

    Forget what SerLuke said, it's more like using "SJW" at all reveals more about the person saying it than the people they're directing it against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula View Post
    Social Justice Warrior!?

    Being used in a derogatory manner? Unironically? In a video game? In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice? Entirely confined within the area of your kitchen?

    Well, it sure is nice to know the internet has finally nakedly boiled that set of words down to "people I don't like and rebuffed me for my words/actions for just about anything." Imagine thinking any of what was listed here ties into a movement for greater equity in human society, let alone that mad bikini catgirls relate to civil rights movements in some sinister and convoluted manner.

    Forget what SerLuke said, it's more like using "SJW" at all reveals more about the person saying it than the people they're directing it against.
    I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.
    If I remember correctly, the term was originally used by organizers to describe armchair activists who cared more for Facebook likes or Twitter followers than actually assisting with collective action or turning out to protests. Aka pretty much exactly what you said.

    The right seized upon the term to paint all social activists as hysterical, self-righteous, vain, and/or dogmatic troublemakers, and 'marketed' that usage of the term to certain demographics trending towards the center and center-right. This was paired with cherry picked footage, usually light or misleading in context, displaying fervent college age students who had probably just been through a sociology 101 class, but lacked rhetorical sophistication and media/optics savy.

    The left then tried to reclaim the term in an entirely positive light this time around.

    Meanwhile, those with a poor grasp of politics began to expand and expand the usage of the term until it became an effectively meaningless insult applicable to the vague category of "things I don't like."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula View Post
    If I remember correctly, the term was originally used by organizers to describe armchair activists who cared more for Facebook likes or Twitter followers than actually assisting with collective action or turning out to protests. Aka pretty much exactly what you said.

    The right seized upon the term to paint all social activists as hysterical, self-righteous, vain, and/or dogmatic troublemakers, and 'marketed' that usage of the term to certain demographics trending towards the center and center-right. This was paired with cherry picked footage, usually light or misleading in context, displaying fervent college age students who had probably just been through a sociology 101 class, but lacked rhetorical sophistication and media/optics savy.

    The left then tried to reclaim the term in an entirely positive light this time around.

    Meanwhile, those with a poor grasp of politics began to expand and expand the usage of the term until it became an effectively meaningless insult applicable to the vague category of "things I don't like."
    I get that you didn't start this and you're just firing back. But you used the term equity in a previous post. Nothing you say on this topic matters anymore. That term is an immediate trojan horse than will turn anyone off who knows its distinction from equality from listening to you further. In the future, dress up your activism better and at least TRY to hide your intention and use the term equality.
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