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  1. #71
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    Barraind's Avatar
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    I would make sure you stay away from stuff like

    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Brag about the size of horse you can fit down your esophagus. If they say something like "weird flex", you can respond with "I know right? Its far more impressive than your skill at the game".

    And stick to telling them what they're doing wrong in a blunt way.

    If blacklisting someone actually kept you out of groups with them, that would be an option afterwards if they were really trash, but it doesnt, so eh.


    In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice?
    You mean like 95% of the times you see that nonsense start happening?
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  2. #72
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    LeonDalmasca's Avatar
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    Haru Shirasaki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    A few kicks later he will change his behavior.
    And he'd be here crying on how elitist and jerks, peoples are*. Corrected, you're welcome!
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  3. #73
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    Diaval Alucard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    "...and she's dead!"
    Basically a DRG grandma.
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  4. #74
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    Thurien Storme
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    Unsolicited advice is just that, unsolicited.

    If you don't know the person I don't think there is any tactful way and you have to assume that your advice is not needed not wanted or will be taken the wrong way.

    Explain the fight if needed of course. but as to what you feel is a bad play style. Meh, Deal with it. If it's not savage or expert lower your expectations.

    Also leading off with " hey tank" or Hey Healer or hey Mage etc is in my opinion, a little impersonal and tends to strike people the wrong way.
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    Last edited by Nyvara; 09-14-2019 at 03:18 AM.

  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula View Post
    Social Justice Warrior!?

    Being used in a derogatory manner? Unironically? In a video game? In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice? Entirely confined within the area of your kitchen?

    Well, it sure is nice to know the internet has finally nakedly boiled that set of words down to "people I don't like and rebuffed me for my words/actions for just about anything." Imagine thinking any of what was listed here ties into a movement for greater equity in human society, let alone that mad bikini catgirls relate to civil rights movements in some sinister and convoluted manner.

    Forget what SerLuke said, it's more like using "SJW" at all reveals more about the person saying it than the people they're directing it against.
    I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.
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  6. #76
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    Gaethan Tessula
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.
    If I remember correctly, the term was originally used by organizers to describe armchair activists who cared more for Facebook likes or Twitter followers than actually assisting with collective action or turning out to protests. Aka pretty much exactly what you said.

    The right seized upon the term to paint all social activists as hysterical, self-righteous, vain, and/or dogmatic troublemakers, and 'marketed' that usage of the term to certain demographics trending towards the center and center-right. This was paired with cherry picked footage, usually light or misleading in context, displaying fervent college age students who had probably just been through a sociology 101 class, but lacked rhetorical sophistication and media/optics savy.

    The left then tried to reclaim the term in an entirely positive light this time around.

    Meanwhile, those with a poor grasp of politics began to expand and expand the usage of the term until it became an effectively meaningless insult applicable to the vague category of "things I don't like."
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    Last edited by Gaethan_Tessula; 09-14-2019 at 03:45 AM.

  7. #77
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    Telling people that they're bad, tactfully or otherwise, is illegal in this community.
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  8. #78
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    Xtrasweettea's Avatar
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    Aelda Schuvorther
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    TL;DR up front:

    The problem with giving advice, even if you make the focus on yourself, is one thing I have noticed:
    Asymmetrical knowledge between the advice giver and the target of the advice

    The Story tied to the TL;DR:
    One example I can give was given to me, after we wiped on the second double-group pull in Dohn Mheg.

    Group consisted of PLD (me), BRD, BLM, and AST.

    After the wipe, BRD said in /p:
    "When I go PLD, I heal myself to make things easier on the group. "

    The way they have gave advice isn't a bad way to do it. The person is making a suggestion but isn't telling me what to do. I have a choice at that time to take the advice and apply or not.

    The problem with giving advice, even if you make the focus on yourself, is one thing I have noticed:
    Asymmetrical knowledge between the advice giver and the target of the advice

    The advice was given after a wipe (second double pull). The BRD who gave the advice saw a tank who didn’t use Clemency on themselves. They provided advice based on their knowledge of the situation and their experience.

    My knowledge of the situation was different:
    1. During the first pull, I noticed we didn’t have the damage to perform the pull.
    2. I went through all of my CDs
    3. Healer doesn’t ABC
    4. Healer likes to take damage
    5. BLM lacked Ley Lines and other buffs

    I didn’t provide any advice, as since the BRD struck me first with advice, any advice given from me would be seen as lashing out, even with smiley faces.

    Did I have any “in the wrong” on the pull we wiped? Yes, I can blame myself some for not healing myself. How much of “in the wrong” was I in? Very little. If I did this run on another tank, this point wouldn’t matter at all.

    The BLM and the healer held most of the wrong. Though, they were not targeted with advice.

    I actually ran through the dungeon. I decided that me sticking around and getting at-level EXP with daily DR bonus would be worth it. Lately, I have been getting Toto-Raks, Satashas, and other pre 60 dungeons, giving me crap EXP.

    So yeah, I healed myself with a 12% overheal. I parsed after our second wipe. BLM was rivaling Trust DPS damage… I pulled 4.1K DPS during that whole run, and that was with me supplement healing myself.
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  9. #79
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    Offer to give advice to bad players but dont give the advice unless they agree to accept it.

    Last just remember this God created stupid people to keep smart people entertained.
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    Note: Taking advice from a players alt, is like taking advice from a voice in a dark room. Criticism is a two way street remember that!!

  10. #80
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    I just straight up tell them don't wanna waste my time dancing around the subject to be nice
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