Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Granyala]

I just type what they’re supposed to do

This.
I present the data in a take it or leave it fashion.

Though I have to be honest here: it's very rare that I encounter a random that makes such critical whopper of mistakes as the OP describes.
Most of the time I'm too busy playing my own role in order to notice anyway.

There was a WHM in my lvl 79 dungeon, who kept using the LB as soon as the bar filled, even if everyone was at full health. I said "I don't want to be that guy, but the LB in dungeons is usually reserved for Dps " but I got no response (despite him talking earlier in the dungeon) and he kept doing it. He uses healer LB at one bar again a few more times with everyone at full HP, and since I was starting to get a little annoyed, I asked them "So, uh, is there any point in using healer LB when everyone is at full health?" still no response. Might not be the most tactful way of wording it though,but I assume it sounds better than "Stop wasting the LB, healer."

I wouldn't usually say anything, but this was a lvl 79 dungeon, and he's gonna get a lot of hate later from others if he keeps using healer LB as soon as the bar fills.

Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

[Vahlnir]

Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

An LB 1 used by a dps is useful because it actually does something. A small something, perhaps, but still something. A healer using it just because when everyone is at full health is just pointless. The amount of times I've seen anything like that since ARR launch could probably be counted on one hand so it's largely a non-issue. Most of what I've seen, however, are genuine mistakes. Some people simply hit the LB on accident. To me that's a whole other thing entirely. I've done it myself with the tank one. All I can do is apologize, shrug it off and move on. I can see where they were coming from though, but that person described in their post sounded as if they may have been trolling with the healer LB.

[Granyala]

An LB 1 used by a dps is useful because it actually does something. A small something, perhaps, but still something.

Sure, but honestly: in a dungeon is't not worth getting worked up about it.
Advise the player (though most will start to intentionally work against you after that just because they can do it to spite you) and then move on.

Imho they could patch out the LB 1 and 2 altogether, usually I tease our DPS in TS with "Did you miss again? I didn't see the HP bar move" because the damage of these 2 is so ... well.. lets call it "anticlimactic".

Also LOL at server blacklisting over LB trolling in a dungeon.... these people need to get a grip on reality.

[NessaWyvern]

Also LOL at server blacklisting over LB trolling in a dungeon.... these people need to get a grip on reality.

The person was new (so I think they weren't trolling in the end. They died to a fair few boss mechanics also), and would probably do it, not just in dungeons, but any end-game content if they didn't learn about it.
Maybe it wouldn't be as drastic as a server BL, but I can see them being blacklisted from a lot of EX and Savage parties if they kept up with the "healer LB 1 when everyone is at max health, always".

[Granyala]

Maybe it wouldn't be as drastic as a server BL, but I can see them being blacklisted from a lot of EX and Savage parties if they kept up with the "healer LB 1 when everyone is at max health, always".

Nessa, you worry far too much.
The dude will get told not to do it. Then he will eventually get kicked (if he does it in an encounter where it would be detrimental to the kill).

A few kicks later he will change his behavior.

As a tank in WoW of eld (where aggro was actually a thing) I advised overnuking DPS once. Then I let them tank the mob. They died. Most got the message after 2 deaths, once they realized that their behavior was an actual problem.

Some humans only learn through pain and failure. As dumb as it sounds and as much as we would like to spare them said pain by passing on our experiences, oftentimes there is no other way.

[LeonDalmasca]

A few kicks later he will change his behavior.

And he'd be here crying on how elitist and jerks, peoples are*. Corrected, you're welcome!

[Gaethan_Tessula]

SJW

She is right though... I had three SJW/White Knights in my past 3 months...

So, SWJ are a serious problem, especially in this game. I like the diversity, but when they block progress by their agenda the fun is over.

Social Justice Warrior!?

Being used in a derogatory manner? Unironically? In a video game? In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice? Entirely confined within the area of your kitchen?

Well, it sure is nice to know the internet has finally nakedly boiled that set of words down to "people I don't like and rebuffed me for my words/actions for just about anything." Imagine thinking any of what was listed here ties into a movement for greater equity in human society, let alone that mad bikini catgirls relate to civil rights movements in some sinister and convoluted manner.

Forget what SerLuke said, it's more like using "SJW" at all reveals more about the person saying it than the people they're directing it against.

[Rasikko]

Social Justice Warrior!?

Being used in a derogatory manner? Unironically? In a video game? In a context having little to nothing to do with social justice? Entirely confined within the area of your kitchen?

Well, it sure is nice to know the internet has finally nakedly boiled that set of words down to "people I don't like and rebuffed me for my words/actions for just about anything." Imagine thinking any of what was listed here ties into a movement for greater equity in human society, let alone that mad bikini catgirls relate to civil rights movements in some sinister and convoluted manner.

Forget what SerLuke said, it's more like using "SJW" at all reveals more about the person saying it than the people they're directing it against.

I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

I feel like a lot of terms being using here are having their definitions "fine tuned" to fit what the person believes it should mean.. SJW = standing up for people only to make themselves look good, but in reality not really giving a crap. SJW on this forum: all kinds of meanings.

If I remember correctly, the term was originally used by organizers to describe armchair activists who cared more for Facebook likes or Twitter followers than actually assisting with collective action or turning out to protests. Aka pretty much exactly what you said.

The right seized upon the term to paint all social activists as hysterical, self-righteous, vain, and/or dogmatic troublemakers, and 'marketed' that usage of the term to certain demographics trending towards the center and center-right. This was paired with cherry picked footage, usually light or misleading in context, displaying fervent college age students who had probably just been through a sociology 101 class, but lacked rhetorical sophistication and media/optics savy.

The left then tried to reclaim the term in an entirely positive light this time around.

Meanwhile, those with a poor grasp of politics began to expand and expand the usage of the term until it became an effectively meaningless insult applicable to the vague category of "things I don't like."

[NessaWyvern]

This.
I present the data in a take it or leave it fashion.

Though I have to be honest here: it's very rare that I encounter a random that makes such critical whopper of mistakes as the OP describes.
Most of the time I'm too busy playing my own role in order to notice anyway.



Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

I went in as BLM, and I would have loved to have used it on trash packs, sadly they could hit the LB faster than I could. Also, this player was at lvl 79, so they'll be moving onto endgame soon. Will people laugh at it the same way when healer LB is used at one bar with everyone at full in EX or Savage? I don't think they will.
I was hoping that if they werent doing it just to troll, that they would learn before they get server blacklisted.