Is E2S overtuned?

[mint-pineapple-cola]

No.
You can clear the fight with EXTRA dps if everyone in your party is 25th percentile. The DPS check isn't hard now. It wasn't hard week 1. It's a full uptime fight.
You shouldn't expect to clear the fight with people who don't know their rotation, healers that don't DPS, or with 20 damage downs.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Alte Roite called, it wants it’s zergfest back

I'd prefer to call the O1S boss by his real FFV name (Jura Aevis) since we got 2 Halicarnassus bosses and 2 Acheron mobs in FFXIV. But that is discussion for another day. #FFnamepreferencesandsemantics


Back on topic, interesting reads. I'd wonder if mechanics would still be a problem in pugs nowadays when I do go for it.

[Awful]

It's not overtuned at all if anything it's easier with the gear upgrades and 460 weapons people have now, it comes down to personal mistakes, i.e dmg downs, deaths etc, E3S is much harder because if anyone makes any mistakes they can wipe the group.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I forgot to mention that I don't really have a benefit of a static, so I'll have to pug and wing it. So that means I'll have higher chances of dealing a damage down handicap or two on a party member.

[Samsta]

E3S > E4S > E2S > E1S . Idk E3S seems more like the pug wrecker than E2S. I have no idea where you guys get the difficulty out of E2S, I oneshotted it in 3 try on my pug progress. But E3S? Obboi.

Putting them in an order like that according to your own experiences is just stupid, pug skill level varies so much any fight can feel like it's easy or hard. If you look at them objectively the amount of mechanics, the mechanics itself and the punishment for failing them gradually rise starting from E1S. E4S is clearly the hardest of them and levi is clearly harder than E2S, it's just that a lot of bad player have access to E2S and that is why it feels harder.

[alimdia]

How is E3S hard lol it's an entirely team rope mechanic dance, and one pretty easy even. It basically only has 2 mechs, tsunami 2 and black smokers, and tsunami 2 requires very little thought with the current strat.

[Samsta]

How is E3S hard lol it's an entirely team rope mechanic dance, and one pretty easy even. It basically only has 2 mechs, tsunami 2 and black smokers, and tsunami 2 requires very little thought with the current strat.

It's not hard, but neither is E2S. Teamrope mechanics are notoriously harder than just individual dodging like in E2S, since if one fails everyone usually dies. Tsunami 2 is the first mechanic where you actually have pause a little and figure out what to do, of course it's not hard now that everyone has done it a million times but first time doing it was something. By that same logic the only mechanic in E2S is the spell in waiting combos which are super easy and give you plenty of time to figure them out, everything else is just aeo dodging where E3S has team mechanics like stormy horizon, tsunamis and black smokers where 1 mistake can wipe the whole group. It's definitely more mechanic heavy and more punishing.

[LeonDalmasca]

^ This. I listed them as "How many mistake can the party can afford to cause teamwipes". E3S is by far one of the biggest snowball. Even failing punishing ray on E2S doesn't kill you. I have no idea what people find hard but the dps wall in E2S is non existent since its a full uptime fight. The "wall" comes from healers that doesn't heal and/or tank that doesn't optimize their dps.

[Valic]

The dps wall is usually from the cycles portion of the fight. I have found it very difficult for savage but only because you can nail every mechanic up until the cycles, where you pray for RNG the majority of them are cycles of retribution because it's much easier to dodge and set. Whereas cycles of chaos gets most people and most pugs will either wipe from it or have to many damage downs that the last % of damage they need to deal won't be reached in time. Top it off, if they don't mitigate correctly... They'll die from the damage down + quietus damage up buffed damage. That's why I like using the tank limit break level 1 for the last couple of Quietus, just to guarantee we keep up dps and a 1.9k potency DPS LB isnt worth it when the cast/animation is so lengthy anyways.

Personally as much hell as I went through with E2s, I like the fight. Its a good gateway to let people know they need to know their jobs to deal efficient dps, understand mechanic responsibility, and develop party composition to fit situations like which jobs should be on puddles and etc. Most pugs I'm in, reach 4%, 1%, or worse.... I've cleared it exactly at the enrage timer with half my party dead before even. Meanwhile my static I just got into, we all one shot it and got no debuffs from any of the cycles by the end. I think its fine as it is and will get better with more gear of course, since people slowly get phantasmagoria and there's that loot lock on raids too.

[Katie_Kitty]

E3S > E4S > E2S > E1S . Idk E3S seems more like the pug wrecker than E2S. I have no idea where you guys get the difficulty out of E2S, I oneshotted it in 3 try on my pug progress. But E3S? Obboi.

Is Ninja the job you use to do these fights? It would explain to me at least why you view E3S as harder than E4S. As a caster E4S is certainly the most annoying and difficult fight in the tier. By comparison E3S is pretty easy.