Is E2S overtuned?

[Machi_Machiavelli]

Nope. Undertuned if anything. Even pugs are clearing it.

[Noitems]

So far progging through it myself (currently before Quietus) I can really say the biggest hurdle people will face are the nyx heads that give you damage down. The fight itself isn't that bad, it's a mild pain to reposition as a tank, but there are ways to make it easier.

If your group can manage the first flares fine I'd say you're pretty much in the good until Quietus, and in that case just requires a lot of dodging and being topped off.

[Thoosa]

Hmmm, I don’t think it’s overtuned. Guillotine is annoying though. :P

If I compare it to O10s I think it’s easier - O10s had those annoying tank swaps, flip flops and spins you had to get right, the add was a dps check when it first came out and then there was hell with the tether and the fireballs. If you did manage to get through bulwark then people would mess up the last phase and the exaflares.

E2S only has Quietus to get through, which once you remember the circle of retribution or chaos phases and time it right, it’s ok. The dps requirement doesn’t seem that hard either, but again O10s felt worse imo for the dps check.

[Mistyregions]

Nope, e2s is just a skill gate. It relies heavily on personal responsibility and youth average raider in ff14 is not used to that. In most content you can avoid doing mechanics and have someone do them (orbs in e1s for example) but in e2s the slight randomness of it and quick adaptability with personal responsibility is what's merc'n the average raider. I like it and I think we need more and more raids that force everyone to be good on an individual level by being forced to participate in the mechanics as much as possible WITH randomness so you are forced to learn everything.

[Jonnycbad]

Eden Savage Difficulty (in my opinion)

E4S>>E2S>>>>>E3S=E1S

It took me like 2 or 3 hours to clear E1s in PUG, took me 2 weeks in PUG to clear E2s (over 70 different clear parties), E3s took me like fewer than 10 pulls total, its pretty straight forward.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Eden Savage Difficulty (in my opinion)

E4S>>E2S>>>>>E3S=E1S

It took me like 2 or 3 hours to clear E1s in PUG, took me 2 weeks in PUG to clear E2s (over 70 different clear parties), E3s took me like fewer than 10 pulls total, its pretty straight forward.

E2S must be a PUG-wrecker then, as this tier has been pretty straightforward in its difficulty for my 7/8 static. Levi, for some reason, was the hardest to learn as it took like 2 weeks, but now we one-shot it.

[Samsta]

Eden Savage Difficulty (in my opinion)

E4S>>E2S>>>>>E3S=E1S

It took me like 2 or 3 hours to clear E1s in PUG, took me 2 weeks in PUG to clear E2s (over 70 different clear parties), E3s took me like fewer than 10 pulls total, its pretty straight forward.

You were just playing with bad people, there is nothing in E2S that makes it harder than levi.

[MPK]

Pretty sure people only think it's overtuned because people are getting hit by the damage down.

[Akonyl]

I don't think it's really overtuned, but for pugs the Cycles at the end are probably a bit ridiculous with how easily they can impact your dps (and so the clear). It's the hardest mechanic to dodge in the fight and it doesn't show up until the very end, so getting to the point where you can actually practice it feels like it takes forever. Thankfully my static is almost at the point where we can skip the cycles entirely, because I don't want to see them anymore.

Doing a special mechanic at the end of the fight definitely isn't a unique thing to E2S, but I feel like most don't have the same ramp-up in attention required compared to the rest of the fight.

[Hyperia]

I don't think it's really overtuned, but for pugs the Cycles at the end are probably a bit ridiculous with how easily they can impact your dps (and so the clear). It's the hardest mechanic to dodge in the fight and it doesn't show up until the very end, so getting to the point where you can actually practice it feels like it takes forever. Thankfully my static is almost at the point where we can skip the cycles entirely, because I don't want to see them anymore.

Doing a special mechanic at the end of the fight definitely isn't a unique thing to E2S, but I feel like most don't have the same ramp-up in attention required compared to the rest of the fight.

The combo: In, clock spots, clea... DIE!

That's the killer, people are so busy trying to dodge they cant get clear fast enough and splat. That's why I think adding just 1 more second would see dramatically improved clear rates. They don't even have to tell us they made the stealth change, just sneak it in on 5.1. I know they wont because they think i460 gear should do it... but I can dream.

Maybe 5.2 will have an easier 2nd fight so people can feel like there progressing and not give up hope and quit raiding. E2S killed my static, its killed my family's desire to raid, it's finished me off too. Sucks but... that's the real legacy of E2S.