Worst housing system I have ever seen

[Shougun]

Lets look at some of these thread titles:
"Worst Housing System I have ever seen" (THIS VERY THREAD)
"Housing System cannot be adequately fixed"
"Taking my money elsewhere"
"The Housing System is Trash"
"Dreadful Housing System"
"How can a game that came out in 2004 have instanced housing and this game cannot?"

You missed the rest of that quote . These people want houses, so they're not anti-housing. I know what you mean but if you were going to give people silly answers for what you felt were silly questions I thought it only fair to point out these are not anti-housing threads. They want housing, thus not anti-housing. They're anti-FFXIV housing, they want something different. They're not the same though, but like I said I understand what you're trying to say- they're definitely anti-something lol.

Yes people are disgruntled and yes they are anti-FFXIV's system, that doesn't mean they're against housing though.

If feels like the vast majority of housing discussions ended up being reduced to owning a house. For those whom already own homes, there's very little to talk about anymore because few actually want to talk about the housing system anymore, the conversation devolves to talking about the darn placards which is only a very small part of the system. It's not that people shouldn't be afraid to complain, it's that the placard complaints have drowned out all the other housing conversations. I'm a big housing advocate but it's just so tiring to read all these repetitive, reductionist rant posts. What is there even to say anymore?

Would recommend if the forums get tiring to stop reading the ones that tire you- just hardcore nope out of threads (I do), the forums are never going to change in that regard lol. Beyond that people will naturally spend more time complaining here (hopefully constructive criticism) than celebrating, because if you're happy or at least apathetic it's more likely you wont bother saying anything at all (which is a bit sad I guess, but generally how people are).

As for what more to say, well /shrug lol. New people coming in all the time, they've got something they want to say. Old people whose feelings haven't changed and want to pulse the issue. W.e.

There is going to be a lot of repeat here, and will always be unless SE becomes hyper restrictive on the speech and content that goes on in the forums. I can understand it can get annoying though, there are ceterain issues that people really care about that I don't.. but at the same time I understand I've got my own cares so I tend to leave their threads alone.

[Edax]

I doubt any of the devs will read this as all these complaints are basically piss in the wind to them. But my issue is the fact that THEY KNOW what the issues are currently, THEY KNOW timers are dumb, THEY KNOW people are losing sleep over this, THEY KNOW an entire FC owns half a ward, THEY KNOW this current set up is promoting click bots/RMT house flipping, THEY KNOW all of this and have to to put out a single quick patch to fix any of these issues.

My quick fix would look like this:
1) END PLOT RELOCATION: Stop it completely, people with houses shouldn't get dibs on plots that are for people without them, ESPECIALLY with the RNG timer implementation. Plot relocation is currently a bane to new house buyers and a boon for RMT. Someone wants to buy a house with money? All someone has to do is relinquish the plot, by pass the timer and they have the new spot. RMT users who own a house love this system, go check reddit if you don't believe me.

2) Destruction of any and all non-active house users and change of use policy: I've taken a stroll to expirment during peak hours mind you and I saw 4-5 houses being used. Actual people hanging out there doing things/activities/queuing/chatting. While roughly 80% of the houses in the wards are completely dead. People are complaining about losing the "community feel" if instanced housing becomes a thing and I say BS, I don't see any community outside of my FC neighbors another constantly active group. All other houses are dead. Might as well have nobody around.

3) Deval timers AND sale timers on placards: This is literally a no brainer. You will stop SOOOO many headaches and people can sleep and have a proper notion of when to be on for those houses to pop. RNG causes imense frustration especially when it wastes people's sub time. WASTING PEOPLE'S SUB TIME ISN'T A FIX. Give people a set time to return and at least they can now feel LESS cheated because they didn't waste 20+ hours of thier lives sitting in one spot praying for RNGesus.
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You missed the rest of that quote . These people want houses, so they're not anti-housing. I know what you mean but if you were going to give people silly answers for what you felt were silly questions I thought it only fair to point out these are not anti-housing threads. They want housing, thus not anti-housing. They're anti-FFXIV housing, they want something different. They're not the same though, but like I said I understand what you're trying to say- they're definitely anti-something lol.

Yes people are disgruntled and yes they are anti-FFXIV's system, that doesn't mean they're against housing though.

These threads saying they're quitting the game or these threads advocating the destruction of the current housing system are very much interpreted by me as anti-housing as they are very much not pro-housing.

Would recommend if the forums get tiring to stop reading the ones that tire you- just hardcore nope out of threads (I do), the forums are never going to change in that regard lol. Beyond that people will naturally spend more time complaining here (hopefully constructive criticism) than celebrating, because if you're happy or at least apathetic it's more likely you wont bother saying anything at all (which is a bit sad I guess, but generally how people are).

As I said, I'm a pro-housing advocate. I want to talk about housing. I don't see people spamming near identical threads in the other sub-forums.

[Shougun]

These threads saying they're quitting the game or these threads advocating the destruction of the current housing system are very much interpreted by me as anti-housing as they are very much not pro-housing.

As I said, I'm a pro-housing advocate. I want to talk about housing. I don't see people spamming near identical threads in the other sub-forums.

Fair enough that you feel they're anti-housing, just so long hopefully you also understand what I was trying to explain ^_^.

Just in case I made a silly example:

A: I love chocolate, I want you to make me a milk-chocolate cake.
B: Okay, I hear you- I've made you a german chocolate cake!
A: I didn't want nuts. I'm allergic to them.
B: I made you chocolate cake, why aren't you happy?
A: I like chocolate, I can't have chocolate cake with nuts- please make me another one.
B: Nah I made you exactly what you wanted.
A: I didn't want this.
B: Literally exactly what you wanted, it's a chocolate cake now get your epipen and be quiet.
A: MAKE ME ANOTHER CAKE
B: YOU WANTED THIS ONE I MADE IT, YOU HATE CHOCOLATE? YOU'RE AGAINST CHOCOLATE AREN'T YOU!?!?!
A: REEEEEEEEEEE
[insert some Gordon Ramsey memes here]

Lol. Clearly B didn't quite deliver what A wanted, just as SE has not delivered housing in the form that I'd say the great majority of players that mention "instanced housing" feel (can't speak for everyone but from what I've read it's true, even if some of the posts are more aggressive than I'd prefer). That's not to say there is no C player who think's German chocolate cake is the best cake, there are obviously lol.. just that for A they do actually love and greatly desire cake (they love housing, they are pro-housing in the concept of housing in an mmorpg) they do not however love german chocolate cake (SE's housing). They're clearly pro chocolate, they're just not pro of the variant made.

Not that I think you have to view it this way, but I doubt if you told people who are making these threads that they hate (or at least are anti) housing, that they hate(/anti) chocolate, that they'd ever agree with you because they don't/are not lol. But I can understand what you're trying to say, so at least I think I see what you're trying to express to me.

Personally I think we should encourage an environment that's open to criticism but also comradery and growth. I understand everyone see's that differently.. so even if everyone agreed with me we'd not agree on end results.. but I do wish we could voice our concerns to SE politely (and I do wish SE takes polite feedback sincerely). Which isn't to say SE must act on every comment or feedback but you'd hope the means of communication are not "the biggest REEE gets the most grease" , because it would encourage bit of a toxic relationship.

I don't want to cause too much side discussion but hopefully we're at an understanding even if it's not a complete agreement lol. Feel free to quote/respond to me of course~! Just warning I'll probably not respond because I don't want to derail the thread's purpose, not to see my response as a lack of interest .

[Jojoya]

Fair enough that you feel they're anti-housing, just so long hopefully you also understand what I was trying to explain ^_^.

Just in case I made a silly example:

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Player A acting that way is the worst possible approach to trying to get Player B (or SE) to reconsider anything. They're coming off as an entitled, spoiled brat having a temper tantrum. They're going to end up getting ignored.

It no longer matters what they're actually asking for. People stop caring about what Player A wants. They've tuned that person out.

If you're trying to use Player B to represent SE's response to players, it's a bad example. Instead of the "Nah I made you exactly what you wanted", the response should have been "I used up my available ingredients making the cake for you. I don't know when I'll have more to try to make another cake for you because I also have to be making food for these other 700,000 people who don't particularly about cake."

No one is trying to discourage criticism but it needs to be calm, constructive discussion promoting change to benefit the community and not the "I'M GONNA QUIT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME WHAT I WANT" temper tantrums.