Worst housing system I have ever seen

[Jojoya]

they shouldn't be able to turn around and lose their house because they can't put a lot of hours into the game for a time or want to play aspects of it that may not provide them much gil.

When it's a limited resource, someone who only intermittently plays the game shouldn't have priority to own a house over someone who is actively playing and would make much more frequent use of it.

Absolutely they should be losing their house under the limited quantity system if they can't be bothered to log in for a few hours each month.

But that takes things back to why an improved instance housing system would be better. No one would have to lose their house when it's stops being a limited resource so someone who's not playing doesn't block someone who is playing from owning one.

Also, why did you bother buying a house when you were so strapped for gil you couldn't even afford to furnish it? That's dumb consumerism, spending what was a fortune to you on a luxury item you don't need and couldn't afford to maintain. You would have been better off learning how to earn and save gil.

If the system required you to pay a monthly fee to continue to own the house, would have you bothered buying it in the first place?

[Alyanna_Elingval]

When it's a limited resource, someone who only intermittently plays the game shouldn't have priority to own a house over someone who is actively playing and would make much more frequent use of it.

Absolutely they should be losing their house under the limited quantity system if they can't be bothered to log in for a few hours each month.

But that takes things back to why an improved instance housing system would be better. No one would have to lose their house when it's stops being a limited resource so someone who's not playing doesn't block someone who is playing from owning one.

Also, why did you bother buying a house when you were so strapped for gil you couldn't even afford to furnish it? That's dumb consumerism, spending what was a fortune to you on a luxury item you don't need and couldn't afford to maintain. You would have been better off learning how to earn and save gil.

If the system required you to pay a monthly fee to continue to own the house, would have you bothered buying it in the first place?

I wasn't unable to maintain the house, it was a choice to do something else. When I did the home is where the heart is quest, I said I'm getting a house and put everything on hold to accomplish that goal. My first jobs to level 50 were crafting and gathering. When I got my house I took a break from all that gil grinding and got back to the story. The only crafting and gathering I did was gear.

If I wanted to take a break from this much gathering and crafting everyday. COnstantly watching the MB, I was well within my rights.



After I unlocked HW I went back and finished decorating my house. But that's how the game goes, in ebbs and flows, whether it be your playtime, or what you're focusing on in game. People shouldn't be forced to have to continually keep making gil once they've purchased their house if they want to do other things with their time in-game. Or if life happens and they can't put a lot of hours into the game they should be penalized dealing with things so that they have no house when they do have more time to play. It's not giving players priority it's letting them keep what they earned when they were putting in the time. Just because someone new comes along that can play a lot, doesn't mean that veterans who put a lot of time in prior should be walked over because they may not be able to do so now. The whole just because I can play right now and you can't I should get priority is nonsense.

Also, I need no help in making and saving gil. I made a plan from the start to level crafters and gatherers first, and I've gone from that small house, to a medium to a large, as well as geared most classes in the game hardly investing any gil from day one.

[Jojoya]

I wasn't unable to maintain the house, it was a choice to do something else. When I did the home is where the heart is quest, I said I'm getting a house and put everything on hold to accomplish that goal.

The quest doesn't say you're getting a house. It said that houses are being sold to adventurers without going into detail about how to get one unless you take the time to talk to the Resident Caretaker as the quest suggests. There was no stated guarantee that you'd be able to get one.

I'm glad you did manage to get one after you made it your goal to do so.

But you still haven't answered my question about what you would have done if there was a monthly fee required to retain the house at the time you were ready to purchase. Would it have influenced your decision so you didn't buy or would you have accepted it was going to be that little bit of extra effort to keep the house?

Just because someone new comes along that can play a lot, doesn't mean that veterans who put a lot of time in prior should be walked over because they may not be able to do so now. The whole just because I can play right now and you can't I should get priority is nonsense.

It's not nonsense when a limited resource is involved.

If houses didn't demo, the majority of them would be owned by people who stopped playing the game years ago. Those of us who came later would be out of luck, stuck staring at unused houses owned by people who don't play and likely won't be coming back.

There has to be a form of demolition when housing isn't unlimited, and that means people who have quit playing need to lose out so those who are playing get their chance.

I've gone from that small house, to a medium to a large, as well as geared most classes in the game hardly investing any gil from day one.

So then you know better than to say you'd have to stop playing the rest of the game to focus on making gil if housing had a monthly fee.

The game throws a lot of gil at you passively through normal game play, and that normal game play presents even more opportunities to make gil if you take an extra half hour a week to convert the tomestone and other items you get into gil.

[Kenky]

The issue you seem to have is the difference on "people who play a lot more should get priority" thing. That is a minefield so thorough, even a MILLIMETER of a miss-step will turn you into giblets. So here we go!

Player A has played since A Realm Reborn. Has been pretty active since then but with the recent launch of Shadowbringers, life-stuff has come up and taken them away from the game, making their gametime maybe an hour or two every few WEEKS.

Player B has played since Stormblood and doesn't have any life-related connections or emergencies and, for the sake of this. Say he works from home, or doesn't have a job at the moment. But can play to his hearts content.

In your mentality, Player B should have priority over a housing plot, purely because he has more time on his hands. That should NEVER be the case. Nor should a player be penalized for getting a house, even when only the most popular NA servers are the ones effected. Keep in mind that Final Fantasy XIV is a game at its heart and is usually played to act as entertainment, a distraction or some way to get away from real-life stresses. I can guarantee that if they added "Housing Taxes" as a solution, the housing system would be a deadzone. Purely because XIV would have failed at the first hurdle. Nobody (that I know of, at least) would actively sink time into a game-system that reminds you of reality and its stresses.

It would work well as a gil-sink. But the richest players would merely lose a single drop of their earnings, while people who can't earn much lose their entire purses because the Gil Average is so astronomically high. once again alienating a large chunk of the playerbase.

For people claiming everyone deserves a house, you sure are coming up with ways to screw over others, huh..

EDIT: As for the "Your sub fee lets you play the game, nothing more" defense. While technically correct, the sub fee also pays for any mandatory systems the game has in place. Any EXTRA stuff (more retainers as an example) would be tacked on the side. in her case, going with your desire to tax the people that own a house, you fall into a pit.

Housing is optional, yes. But once you buy a house, that housing tax becomes a mandatory system. Which means it MUST be covered under the Sub-fees original pricing, otherwise they will shoot themselves in the foot by giving plenty of players more than enough reason to avoid FCs and Personal Housing, only making it a deadzone even quicker with only the richest of players able to own the houses and be unaffected by the taxing system. (See above for the reason) And yes. If this "Housing tax" scenario becomes truth, then FCs would get heavier taxing to accomodate. Otherwise you're just promoting Shell FCs to a "must-have" priority. Something XIV has enough issues with as it is.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

The quest doesn't say you're getting a house. It said that houses are being sold to adventurers without going into detail about how to get one.

But you still haven't answered my question about what you would have done if there was a monthly fee required to retain the house at the time you were ready to purchase.


It's not nonsense when a limited resource is involved.

If houses didn't demo, the majority of them would be owned by people who stopped playing the game years ago. Those of us who came later would be out of luck, stuck staring at unused houses owned by people who don't play and likely won't be coming back.

There has to be a form of demolition when housing isn't unlimited, and that means people who have quit playing need to lose out so those who are playing get their chance.


So then you know better than to say you'd have to stop playing the rest of the game to focus on making gil if housing had a monthly fee.
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Man, you look at statements and just make wild assumptions.

Where did I say a house was promised to me? All I said was after I saw houses during the quest I made it my goal to get one. If houses would have came with a tax I would have still gotten one, why would I not have? I had all the means I needed to make gil. Also, no one said you have to stop doing everything else to make gil. I said after focusing on making gil in the way I wanted a break for it for a while.

Also, since you want to talk about bad consumerism as if this is real life. If we want to act like this game should real-life principles, houses would never be this cheap with this demand. They would be closer to what they were in the beginning and we wouldn't even have this issue. Taxes in real life go towards something, they're investments in your neighbourhood and city. They serve no purpose here other than a means to take something someone bought.

I also never said people who have quit the game should keep their houses, but that's not we're talking about here. Let's just say what is really going on. You have people who don't have something trying to think of ways to take it from people that have it, even though they're active players. If you don't play the amount of hours we deem acceptable, you lose your house. If you don't pay some arbitrary tax amount that goes towards nothing, you lose your house. Do we really want some type of arbitrary minimum hour threshold to keep your property? If you want to go play Greedfall, or Jedi Fallen Order, you come back and your house is gone because you didn't put in 20-30 hours a week in FF XIV. Like I said it's ridiculous. We shouldn't be trying to come up with ways to take things from players who are playing the game.

[TheForce]

There you go. Still generalizing with nothing to prove your point. Calling everyone...sorry "most" people who are complaining jealous is just wow...
People arent complaining because the system itself is aids, and theyd like a system that benefits EVERYONE...no no its because others have something that they cant have. Are you serious???? You have to be a troll..

I mean, I've just speaking based on what I've personally seen. I'd say it's more of a prediction rather than me stating it's some cold hard fact, which I don't feel like is unreasonable to do. It seems like that point in particular really got to you though, seeing how your entire response only addressed that. Relax.

And also, your argument is weak. So, you believe that people are complaining because the sysyem is bad (or "aids", I guess) since it doesn't benefit everybody. But, here's the thing it does. Apartments are literally the answer for people who'd like a house but aren't able to afford one/can't find an open plot/etc. On top of this, if you join an FC with a house (but obvioisly this shouldn't be the ONLY reason you join an FC, it's rather shallow) it'll basically be yours as well. You'll most likely have access to the garden, orchestrion, and maybe even redecorating if FC lead is chill. Having your own personal estate in this game is not a right bro, it's a luxury, it's a privilege. I know it is hard to hear, but that's obviously how SE has designed them. I mean, you literally lose the house if you don't play for a certain amount of time.

And no, I'm not a troll. Just because someone disagrees with you and has different beliefs doesn't mean they're trolling you. No offense guy, but you seem kind of immature. And I don't think any conversation we have will go anywhere.

Get an apartment dude, they're fine. If you're on Crystal and you can't afford one, hit up "The Protector" on Goblin. They cost like 500k right? I will give you 250k towards it.

I had mine for YEARS before I bought my own house, and it was perfect for me. And to be honest, if it came down to it, I'd rather lose my house than lose my apartment if I had to choose one.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I mean, I've just speaking based on what I've personally seen. I'd say it's more of a prediction rather than me stating it's some cold hard fact, which I don't feel like is unreasonable to do. It seems like that point in particular really got to you though, seeing how your entire response only addressed that. Relax.

And also, your argument is weak. So, you believe that people are complaining because the sysyem is bad (or "aids", I guess) since it doesn't benefit everybody. But, here's the thing it does. Apartments are literally the answer for people who'd like a house but aren't able to afford one/can't find an open plot/etc. On top of this, if you join an FC with a house (but obvioisly this shouldn't be the ONLY reason you join an FC, it's rather shallow) it'll basically be yours as well. You'll most likely have access to the garden, orchestrion, and maybe even redecorating if FC lead is chill. Having your own personal estate in this game is not a right bro, it's a luxury, it's a privilege. I know it is hard to hear, but that's obviously how SE has designed them. I mean, you literally lose the house if you don't play for a certain amount of time.

And no, I'm not a troll. Just because someone disagrees with you and has different beliefs doesn't mean they're trolling you. No offense guy, but you seem kind of immature. And I don't think any conversation we have will go anywhere.

Get an apartment dude, they're fine. If you're on Crystal and you can't afford one, hit up "The Protector" on Goblin. They cost like 500k right? I will give you 250k towards it.

I had mine for YEARS before I bought my own house, and it was perfect for me. And to be honest, if it came down to it, I'd rather lose my house than lose my apartment if I had to choose one.

I have an apartment already so yeah...also why would I accept gil from you?
I focused on that comment because it seemed important to...(is that a problem?). Joining an fc doesnt fix the issue in any way shape or form when you want these things to be yours. Not shared. You cant put value on something for someone else, like alot of people here tend to do. Housing isnt for everyone to have? Ok fine. They need to do something to satisfy those who want but cant have. ie.instanced housing, sharable apartments, upgradable apartments etc...
If telling someone they must be a troll makes you immature...then thats a first to me. You generalized what most people who complain about housing are based off of only the people youve seen as jealous. That is off. But I digress.
In regards to your last statement. Thats good for YOU. Not everyone wants just an apartment.

[TheForce]

I have an apartment already so yeah...also why would I accept gil from you?
I focused on that comment because it seemed important to...(is that a problem?). Joining an fc doesnt fix the issue in any way shape or form when you want these things to be yours. Not shared. You cant put value on something for someone else, like alot of people here tend to do. Housing isnt for everyone to have? Ok fine. They need to do something to satisfy those who want but cant have. ie.instanced housing, sharable apartments, upgradable apartments etc...
If telling someone they must be a troll makes you immature...then thats a first to me. You generalized what most people who complain about housing are based off of only the people youve seen as jealous. That is off. But I digress.
In regards to your last statement. Thats good for YOU. Not everyone wants just an apartment.

Lol...okay, I'm literally here offering to help you out and you respond with rudeness and you try to make me feel dumb about it. I don't even feel bad that you don't have a house now.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Lol...okay, I'm literally here offering to help you out and you respond with rudeness and you try to make me feel dumb about it. I don't even feel bad that you don't have a house now.

Rude? Because I said why would I take gil from you?
Come on now...why would I be here talking about housing if I didn't have the gil to get one (let alone enough for an apartment)? It wouldnt make sense on my part. No one is being rude. Blunt? Sure. But if thats how you choose to take it by all means. Do that.
Also, im not looking for folks to feel bad. Im just here to state my opinion like everyone else.

[Shougun]

I find it interesting that whenever people say instanced housing other people will respond we have that already, but I always felt it was clear that they meant unlimited (feeling) housing where every single person can have one. Which we don't have. There are not even unlimited apartments, though there is quite A LOT of them. But to add apartments are not houses- and many people intentionally say instanced housing system not instanced apartment system, which are again not unlimited. In multiple ways, in quantity, location theme, location itself, and size, each limitation could be a fairly large issue and each issue can absolutely compound into the other for a less than maximally desirable experience. So every time I see "we have them" I have to wonder is it really that uncommon to read instanced housing as like many other mmorpgs have it (where there might be a technical real world limitation but one that players never see, so it feels "unlimited")- because "we already have it" is very much untrue under that interpretation and interpretation I find exceptionally consistent among people who ask for it (as of way of asking for housing that isn't so limited, like some other mmorpgs, specifically houses too- not apartments).

I can't imagine everyone is being dishonest when they say that we already have it.. but it always surprises me. I try to add what I mean when I say instanced just to prevent that miscommunication but still find it shocking it exists. I desperately want instanced housing, under that interpretation of 'unlimited'. As I find the limitations of a non-unlimited system a bit disappointing, if every single person wants a Shirogane house when it comes out then go for it, if every person wants a large then I think so shall it be, If Goblet is in this month then it's in, if we all go Ishgard then we all go Ishgard. I understand there are MMORPGs that relish in that limited fighting for resources experience (EVE/other hardcore mmorpgs, limited things work well there). FFXIV however is not a sandbox hardcore rpg.. it's a themepark mmorpg. And that is not said with insult, I very much like this game as a whole and I do recommend it if people ask (though warn it's a long journey if they're focused on "catching up" lol)- I want it to be themepark-ish.

I wouldn't say FFXIV's is the worst, I've seen worse lol, and I think the objects that fill the system are fantastic, but I would say the system itself is probably one of, if not the only, thing that remains in FFXIV that makes me actively frown. An unlimited, instanced housing, system with the theme and spirit FFXIV has would be amazing... Although I understand (in a vague sense) to change the system is potentially massive amounts of money and time, if they can "fix" (imo) the system here then I'd be so grateful and if they can't then I really hope they understand players when they say "I want an instanced system" for when the design their next MMORPG because if they misunderstand it like I see sometimes here. . . Well please don't misunderstand it SE.