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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    In e2s the bottom 4 dps are DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN. If you're running that comp you probably don't deserve to clear in the first place honestly.
    Sorry if I did not understood what you meant but are you saying that if 4 DPS players are playing the jobs they love and those happens to be DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN, they don't deserve the clear because they love jobs that aren't in the DPS Pantheon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Sorry if I did not understood what you meant but are you saying that if 4 DPS players are playing the jobs they love and those happens to be DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN, they don't deserve the clear because they love jobs that aren't in the DPS Pantheon?
    No. It means strategically building a team to clear content or else having enough skill/gear/desire to compensate for lack of such strategy. 8 people picking out of 17 jobs within 5 roles isn't exactly inflexibity. In cases where it does become inflexible you have choices, and the outcomes simply depend on the particular relationship of individuals in that situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    Well this means that jobs aren't balanced, full stop. Whenever all jobs can or cannot clear, or what is the perception of those jobs is not relevant to balancing.
    Balance for balance's sake? It's nice poetry I suppose.
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 09-09-2019 at 12:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    No. It means strategically building a team to clear content or else having enough skill/gear/desire to compensate for lack of such strategy.
    Wait so if you don't have the skill/gear to pass savage Enrage, building a team with the most broken jobs is a "strategy"?

    Or does it means that players have to play better than average/bad players depending on their jobs?

    Both logics are flawed, job choice shouldn't be a pass to clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Wait so if you don't have the skill/gear to pass savage Enrage, building a team with the most broken jobs is a "strategy"?

    Or does it means that players have to play better than average/bad players depending on their jobs?

    Both logics are flawed, job choice shouldn't be a pass to clear.
    You cannot control others in a Pug.

    When you pug, you take the risk that someone in your team might have been the weaker link in regardless of the job they played.

    Everyone forgets that while a 40th WHATEVER does the same damage as a 95th WHATEVER, the 95th is less likely to wipe you and you are more likely to clear with them.

    Build a team of Greysiders using the most "broken jobs in the game" and I'll take my Purple People Eaters playing whatever they want any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Balance for balance's sake? It's nice poetry I suppose.
    I'd prefer if "having significant advantage" wouldn't be a factor when deciding which job to play, silly me.
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