5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

[whiskeybravo]

P.S. For the love of god, please, stop mention how all jobs can clear - if you don't understand how it's absolutely irrelevant to the balance between jobs i suggest you learn first what the term "balance" means...

Hey look someone used lower percentiles to make a point, haven't you learned that's not relative to balance?

Sarcasm aside, you realize you example isn't that much different from my own, right? I already conceded that at any given percentile the upper jobs have a significant advantage. Thanks for looking at the extra turns, though. Although I'm not so sure of the integrity of your claim. For example I used the lowest jobs of an average comp build of 2 melee, 1 ranged and 1 physical - if you simply added up the bottom 4 irrespective of imitating a reasonable composition then the results would be more misleading than necessary. In e2s the bottom 4 dps are DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN. If you're running that comp you probably don't deserve to clear in the first place honestly.

What I actually said is your were implying speed killers influence the data to such an extent it would impact the accuracy of higher percentiles enough to at least partially explain the sizable gap between say, Black Mage and Red Mage.

The problem is that you can imply beyond original meaning. I simply choose to look at the statistics with a grain of salt. I mentioned the intricacies of the statistics about 15 times throughout my posts because there are an incalculable number of little things that make taking 1-2% off the spread one way or the other at least a reasonable starting spot. That doesn't mean the one or two things I mention make up my entire worldview. Either way, the conversation has been exhausted. I can't make my point any more clear and concise so if you haven't gotten them yet then you won't anytime soon, I guess. Peace.

[CKNovel]

In e2s the bottom 4 dps are DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN. If you're running that comp you probably don't deserve to clear in the first place honestly.

Sorry if I did not understood what you meant but are you saying that if 4 DPS players are playing the jobs they love and those happens to be DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN, they don't deserve the clear because they love jobs that aren't in the DPS Pantheon?

[whiskeybravo]

Sorry if I did not understood what you meant but are you saying that if 4 DPS players are playing the jobs they love and those happens to be DNC, RDM, BRD and SMN, they don't deserve the clear because they love jobs that aren't in the DPS Pantheon?

No. It means strategically building a team to clear content or else having enough skill/gear/desire to compensate for lack of such strategy. 8 people picking out of 17 jobs within 5 roles isn't exactly inflexibity. In cases where it does become inflexible you have choices, and the outcomes simply depend on the particular relationship of individuals in that situation.

Well this means that jobs aren't balanced, full stop. Whenever all jobs can or cannot clear, or what is the perception of those jobs is not relevant to balancing.

Balance for balance's sake? It's nice poetry I suppose.

[CKNovel]

No. It means strategically building a team to clear content or else having enough skill/gear/desire to compensate for lack of such strategy.

Wait so if you don't have the skill/gear to pass savage Enrage, building a team with the most broken jobs is a "strategy"?

Or does it means that players have to play better than average/bad players depending on their jobs?

Both logics are flawed, job choice shouldn't be a pass to clear.

[Kabooa]

Wait so if you don't have the skill/gear to pass savage Enrage, building a team with the most broken jobs is a "strategy"?

Or does it means that players have to play better than average/bad players depending on their jobs?

Both logics are flawed, job choice shouldn't be a pass to clear.

You cannot control others in a Pug.

When you pug, you take the risk that someone in your team might have been the weaker link in regardless of the job they played.

Everyone forgets that while a 40th WHATEVER does the same damage as a 95th WHATEVER, the 95th is less likely to wipe you and you are more likely to clear with them.

Build a team of Greysiders using the most "broken jobs in the game" and I'll take my Purple People Eaters playing whatever they want any day of the week.

[AikenDrum]

Balance for balance's sake? It's nice poetry I suppose.

I'd prefer if "having significant advantage" wouldn't be a factor when deciding which job to play, silly me.

[AikenDrum]

I already conceded that at any given percentile the upper jobs have a significant advantage.

Well this means that jobs aren't balanced, full stop. Whenever all jobs can or cannot clear, or what is the perception of those jobs is not relevant to balancing.