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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbori View Post
    But... why do they have to prove it? They don't have to build a court case to ban RMT perpetrators who are trying to circumvent the rules. It's SE's own privately owned platform so there should be nothing stopping a GM from infiltrating the discord, being given the price and being like. "Surprise! You're all banned!"

    Actually, why don't they just do it arbitrarily as soon as they see the PF entry? Any action against RMT is better than inaction.
    I said that some pages ago, because it would look extremely bad if someone started to post on forums about getting banned for no reason in ToS at all without SE being able to back themselves up. The rage we see now about people who are upset because they get banned for "minor" offenses such as tossing profanity and slurs left and right would be a breeze compared to the reaction from something like this, and it could hurt customer trust as no one would dare to pay sub for a game when the picture is painted that you can get banned for no reason at all.

    I mean, how safe would you feel if they started to ban people without them breaking ToS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Noitems View Post
    I think it's honestly just silly people would shell that much money for any of these clears.

    XIV is a game where everything becomes easier overtime due to IL increasing, more levels being adding, potency increasing, more utility being offered, and honestly just the idea that we run through the SAME content so often you'll have plenty of time to shill into it to practice to breakup the norm.

    The 1st tier savage gear is going to be outdated as soon as 5.2 in Jan/Feb and the only thing bringing people back would really be the completionist sake or just the mount. Past that everything else you can grab overtime as weapon augmentation tokens become available outside Savage.
    Yeah, I can't get people paying money for clears, for that money I could buy myself food to last me those 6 months that gear is going to last me. But people spend money on what they spend money on. I can to an even lesser extend grasp why people pay heavy money to poison themselves, but still a large part of the world does this.
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    Last edited by Lunavi; 09-07-2019 at 12:59 AM. Reason: another response to avoid double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    I mean, how safe would you feel if they started to ban people without them breaking ToS?
    There is no rule against posting parses in chat. If someone does post them, SE assumes they were parsing, despite having no proof. How many complaints have you seen from players being penalized as a result?

    If you make certain remarks to the rest of the party right before you plan to leave a duty and take a penalty but your power or internet goes out, you could be penalized for attempting to avoid the 30 minute lockout. Again, no proof here and SE will assume.

    Not being able to prove anything because communication occurs on third-party apps goes both ways. How would someone prove they were innocent? If so-called innocent players were getting scooped up, that means the actual RMTers would be gone, so you wouldn't see too much opposition to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vnolan View Post
    There is no rule against posting parses in chat. If someone does post them, SE assumes they were parsing, despite having no proof. How many complaints have you seen from players being penalized as a result?

    If you make certain remarks to the rest of the party right before you plan to leave a duty and take a penalty but your power or internet goes out, you could be penalized for attempting to avoid the 30 minute lockout. Again, no proof here and SE will assume.

    Not being able to prove anything because communication occurs on third-party apps goes both ways. How would someone prove they were innocent? If so-called innocent players were getting scooped up, that means the actual RMTers would be gone, so you wouldn't see too much opposition to it.
    There is a rule against using third party tools for the game, and by posting parsers you are literally in game admitting to using them one way or another, as how else would you be possible to post them? This is the huge difference, it is said IN GAME. This is why streamers are not getting banned left and right for using parsers on stream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    There is a rule against using third party tools for the game, and by posting parsers you are literally in game admitting to using them one way or another, as how else would you be possible to post them? This is the huge difference, it is said IN GAME. This is why streamers are not getting banned left and right for using parsers on stream.
    If someone was uploading the runs to FFLogs you could go grab the numbers from there. You don't need to be the person running ACT to be able to see and grab the results.
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