Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

[SerLuke]

Well for those wishing to know. I decided to ask one "Ask for details in Discord" here is the result. Green is me, not sure if name shaming counts so to be safe censored it.


They blocked me as soon as I said too much. Just to make it 100% clear, I have never bought a clear nor plan too, simply asking for the sake of information.

Case in point, thank you, no one saying they have to discuss payment terms on Discord is selling for just gil, there any many other examples of this on Reddit as well. I have a feeling people who don’t want to ban PFs that are demanding people go on Discord to discuss payment are RMT themselves.

[HyoMinPark]

Case in point, thank you, no one saying they have to discuss payment terms on Discord is selling for just gil, there any many other examples of this on Reddit as well. I have a feeling people who don’t want to ban PFs that are demanding people go on Discord to discuss payment are RMT themselves.

No. It’s simply that they recognize the issues behind blindly banning players with no proof that they are actually participating in RMT. You would be acting purely on an assumption with no proof or evidence behind it. Unfortunately, the GMs/STF don’t want to accept third-party screenshots, like the one Alpha linked due to the fear of them being manipulated. But that’s a separate issue entirely.

Trying to insinuate that people who say “you can’t just ban the PFs because there’s no evidence proving any wrong-doing” support and/or participate in RMT is wrong on your part. It’s just like saying that those who say “I’m not bothered by those who buy/sell clears” buy or sell clears themselves: a baseless assumption and unnecessary ad hominem.

If someone was uploading the runs to FFLogs you could go grab the numbers from there. You don't need to be the person running ACT to be able to see and grab the results.

Even discussing FFLogs in-game comes with a risk. And there’s no way to prove that you got the numbers from the site or weren’t using a parser yourself. You posted information you “aren’t allowed to have”, and that’s what the GMs see when they look at chat logs and reports. Not your browser history of going to FFLogs to pull numbers beforehand.

That’s why people advocate for not talking about it at all. There’s just too much risk involved. In a perfect world, people wouldn’t report you for simply telling someone their damage numbers if they ask about them, or mentioning damage in a polite, constructive. But this is far from a perfect world, and any mention of parsing is construed as a personal attack even by those who aren’t being spoken to about it.

[Vnolan]

No. It’s simply that they recognize the issues behind blindly banning players with no proof that they are actually participating in RMT.

Where are people getting the idea that SE would ban players out of the blue? If they decided to take action against it they would make an announcement on the lodestone indicating a change in policy and GMs would provide warnings. Anyone banned would have been well aware of the change and would have been asking for it at that point.

It's not like legit groups wouldn't be able to sell, they just couldn't use PF to advertise. Chat (which has a working blacklist function) and the internet would still be viable.