Monk should it be "Nerfed" ?

[MerlinCross]

I'm confused. At the start of the Expansion I saw a lot of complaining from MNKs and now their supposed to be one of the top DPS but I sometimes still see MNK's complain about the job.

WTH has happened with this class while I wasn't looking and why do people still complain about it considering it was the kicked dog for 2 expansions(One of them being their 'own poster' expansion)?

[ownagepuffs]

I'm confused. At the start of the Expansion I saw a lot of complaining from MNKs and now their supposed to be one of the top DPS but I sometimes still see MNK's complain about the job.

WTH has happened with this class while I wasn't looking and why do people still complain about it considering it was the kicked dog for 2 expansions(One of them being their 'own poster' expansion)?

As I understand it.

Before QOL buffs: MNK still didn't have the QOL the community had been asking for. Numbers were still really good, no one noticed because no one played the class.

After QOL Buffs: With Form Shift and Riddle Changes, all the Greased lightning maintenance skills feel really out of place in their kit. All the monk's big payoff moves are not practical so you're using the exact same rotation from forever ago. The numbers are great, but the job hasn't evolved at all from ARR.

[Metalwrath]

As I understand it.

Before QOL buffs: MNK still didn't have the QOL the community had been asking for. Numbers were still really good, no one noticed because no one played the class.

After QOL Buffs: With Form Shift and Riddle Changes, all the Greased lightning maintenance skills feel really out of place in their kit. All the monk's big payoff moves are not practical so you're using the exact same rotation from forever ago. The numbers are great, but the job hasn't evolved at all from ARR.

I'd argue that by the end of Stormblood the job had evolved but then it was regressed in Shadowbringers.At end of stormblood we had tornado kick in our opener because of the riddle of wind changes.We could also use it in our rotations due to the lower cd on pb.
Stormblood monk was quite strong but some of the damage buffs were given to ducktape the overlaying issues of the job which they had promised to deal with in Shadowbringers.WHat we got instead in Shadowbringers was a dumbed down version of monk on steroids.Weaving isnt really a thing we have to do anymore and you're there now just doing a static rotation while waiting to be able to hit an extra button every now and again.
Stormblood monk was erally busy.Shadowbringer monk is nearly an autopilot.

[MerlinCross]

I'd argue that by the end of Stormblood the job had evolved but then it was regressed in Shadowbringers.At end of stormblood we had tornado kick in our opener because of the riddle of wind changes.We could also use it in our rotations due to the lower cd on pb.
Stormblood monk was quite strong but some of the damage buffs were given to ducktape the overlaying issues of the job which they had promised to deal with in Shadowbringers.WHat we got instead in Shadowbringers was a dumbed down version of monk on steroids.Weaving isnt really a thing we have to do anymore and you're there now just doing a static rotation while waiting to be able to hit an extra button every now and again.
Stormblood monk was erally busy.Shadowbringer monk is nearly an autopilot.

So it's power is stupidly high but isn't that fun to actually play by the sounds of it.

[Metalwrath]

So it's power is stupidly high but isn't that fun to actually play by the sounds of it.

Well when you are job thats supposed to be based off maximizing damage from positionals hence the justification for higher damage some people are trying to defend and then you go look at a 3 min window and see on average that only 35 seconds of that time you need to do actual positionals.
Monk needs a serious nerf or rework.Main people defending it how OP it is probably havent mained monk for a long time or are enjoying the mssive dps advantage for raids.
If we start useing monk to gauge how much other jobs need to be buffed it will ruin the game and make it easy mode because ALL jobs will end up being broken.

[Katie_Kitty]

I'm confused. At the start of the Expansion I saw a lot of complaining from MNKs and now their supposed to be one of the top DPS but I sometimes still see MNK's complain about the job.

WTH has happened with this class while I wasn't looking and why do people still complain about it considering it was the kicked dog for 2 expansions(One of them being their 'own poster' expansion)?

You must have missed the patch (post-release) where they massively buffed MNK

[MerlinCross]

You must have missed the patch (post-release) where they massively buffed MNK

I mean I saw the buffs but there's a difference in seeing the buffs and understanding them. Espically when the patch didn't seem to actually increase their Damage, just fixed some issues, like Riddle of Fire. I don't play MNK but thought "oh hey these look okay, it might need some more tuning but it's nice to see they're still working on it.". I wasn't expecting those what seemed to me as some QoL changes to ramp MNK up to these levels of damage output. While still seemingly be annoying/unfun to actually play.

Unless there's another patch I missed, I'm just going off the 5.05 patch.

[Metalwrath]

I mean I saw the buffs but there's a difference in seeing the buffs and understanding them. Espically when the patch didn't seem to actually increase their Damage, just fixed some issues, like Riddle of Fire. I don't play MNK but thought "oh hey these look okay, it might need some more tuning but it's nice to see they're still working on it.". I wasn't expecting those what seemed to me as some QoL changes to ramp MNK up to these levels of damage output. While still seemingly be annoying/unfun to actually play.

Unless there's another patch I missed, I'm just going off the 5.05 patch.

Im not sure you couldnt see how the extra free no positionals wasnt going to massivly increase their damage.The numbers probably havent jumped as much since the patch on lets say for example on e3s as the entire fight has no positional requirement but the changes for the other fights are absolutly huge for dps gains.Not to mention removing the slow down on riddle of fire means you are hitting more skills under that damage increase buff.
It's also only going to get more op as the patch goes on too as how crit scales with the free forbidden chakras you get.you'll see them more often the higher your crit stat is.

[MerlinCross]

Im not sure you couldnt see how the extra free no positionals wasnt going to massivly increase their damage.The numbers probably havent jumped as much since the patch on lets say for example on e3s as the entire fight has no positional requirement but the changes for the other fights are absolutly huge for dps gains.Not to mention removing the slow down on riddle of fire means you are hitting more skills under that damage increase buff.
It's also only going to get more op as the patch goes on too as how crit scales with the free forbidden chakras you get.you'll see them more often the higher your crit stat is.

*Flip* The riddle of Earth Change? No I actually couldn't see how much that would spike the damage when, as a non monk main or really understand how some of their stuff works, it still has to compete with Riddle of Fire or even Wind. My mind sees that and goes "Oh neat, one of their 3 buffs/stances got changed but they still have to pick one to be in right?"

I saw the Riddle of Fire buff as a bigger buff

[Metalwrath]

*Flip* The riddle of Earth Change? No I actually couldn't see how much that would spike the damage when, as a non monk main or really understand how some of their stuff works, it still has to compete with Riddle of Fire or even Wind. My mind sees that and goes "Oh neat, one of their 3 buffs/stances got changed but they still have to pick one to be in right?"

I saw the Riddle of Fire buff as a bigger buff

Ok i get you dont know anything at all about monk.Ill explain then.Riddle of earth used to put you into fists of earth stance.This was changed in SHadowbringers.So when you cast it now you stay in whatever fist stance you are in.So if you are in fists of fire you are stil in fists of fire stance during riddle of earth and when you get earths reply bonus.