Monk should it be "Nerfed" ?

[BarretOblivion]

Mnk should not be beating Sam or Blm at 95 percentile+ EVER so long as it has Brotherhood and mantra and right now mnk is the only valid reason to buff Blm and that is absurd because we do not need the gulf to get wider between the bottom 5 dps than it already is, the mnk changes brought about unforeseen consequences and well atm i think it does need a nerf not a severe one but does need it, it is too strong and it gives to the party where both blm/sam just don't apart from dmg.

So? Then buff SAM. The DPS requirements on these fights are still tight at the moment even with a "meta comp" in the later fights of Leviathan and Titan. Nerfs never happen in this game except before Savage tier releases. We are past that point now so using MNK as a baseline for all other classes is what the team has decided upon clearly. It just means they are going to increase the HP of the next Savage tier to compensate for the buffs.

[Lambdafish]

So? Then buff SAM.

I am so glad you aren't in charge of balancing. The key word is balance.

We aren't just balancing jobs against each other, we are balancing jobs against fights. If Titan savage takes X amount of raid DPS to beat then continually buffing jobs will just make content easier than intended. You can't just bring the bottom up. It has been repeated many times but has fallen on deaf ears: POWER CREEP EXISTS.

[Capn_Goggles]

I am so glad you aren't in charge of balancing. The key word is balance.

We aren't just balancing jobs against each other, we are balancing jobs against fights. If Titan savage takes X amount of raid DPS to beat then continually buffing jobs will just make content easier than intended. You can't just bring the bottom up. It has been repeated many times but has fallen on deaf ears: POWER CREEP EXISTS.

There's no need to be condescending, especially considering that your point is largely nonsense. There's essentially two macro-tiers of jobs at their current power level. Tier 1 consists of the Melee DPS and BLM, with Tier 2 consisting of the Ranged DPS and RDM/SMN. You essentially have an even 50/50 split between "good" jobs and "bad" jobs with 5 in each tier. In each of these macro-tiers the jobs are fairly close to one-another in terms of DPS, but Tier 1 is notably more powerful than Tier 2. Logically speaking, the content must be balanced around a team consisting of the top 4 DPS jobs all being on the same team; meaning that buffing ANY job lower than the four highest performing DPS will have next to zero impact on raid DPS unless it displaces a job in the top 4 in terms of output.

Basically, if tomorrow they jacked the potencies for every Tier 2 job to match Dragoon then you would see basically no improvement in the best clear times because you've simply expanded the power level horizontally rather than vertically. Nerfs should be reserved for jobs that are unintentionally powerful, such as having unexpected synergies or rotations that nobody saw coming, and buffs should be reserved for jobs that have no logical reason to be brought along beyond fun factor like literally any Tier 2 job. Everything else should just fall under quality of life changes and extremely minor balancing tweaks.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

they are both helpful and necessary when they're the only option short of power creep.

At this point in the game, power creep for what? If this discussion was a week before Savage i'd agree. Savage has been cleared now with min ilvl comps in week 1. All of which contained the underpowered jobs. Nerfing the "OP" jobs, MNK, BLM, DRG, SAM(yeah i'm including it, it still craps on the underpowered jobs, so relative to them it's OP), would feel terrible for anyone playing those jobs.

Buff the other jobs and scale 5.1 content accordingly. Then there's no such thing as a power creep because everything has scaled with it.

[EpicOverlord85]

I'd argue that by the end of Stormblood the job had evolved but then it was regressed in Shadowbringers.At end of stormblood we had tornado kick in our opener because of the riddle of wind changes.We could also use it in our rotations due to the lower cd on pb.
Stormblood monk was quite strong but some of the damage buffs were given to ducktape the overlaying issues of the job which they had promised to deal with in Shadowbringers.WHat we got instead in Shadowbringers was a dumbed down version of monk on steroids.Weaving isnt really a thing we have to do anymore and you're there now just doing a static rotation while waiting to be able to hit an extra button every now and again.
Stormblood monk was erally busy.Shadowbringer monk is nearly an autopilot.

This exactly. Shadowbringers was a major regression for Monk.

[Magnedeus]

No, Monk got no love at all in SB. And then they finally made them good in SHB and now you wanna take that away from us?

[Shurrikhan]

No, Monk got no love at all in SB. And then they finally made them good in SHB and now you wanna take that away from us?

"Curses for Monk being alt-meta last expansion! All other jobs should now bow before it!"

Taking away an imbalance is never a bad thing. Monk, BLM, and possibly DRG being nerfed a bit while the remaining 7 jobs get buffed so that all jobs are now competitive with each other is not a bad thing.

Let's not pretend that there's some divine retribution at work when rotating FotM overpowered jobs.

[Metalwrath]

Sonya_Nillefrant can you stop spamming on forums.
You've flamed people for disagreeing with your suggestions for monks in the 2 threads you made with this exact post stating it was off topic and now your posting an off topic post in this thread.
This thread is asking about should monk be nerfed or not.Its not about your personal version of an overhaul of the monk job from the ground up.

[gintokiygo]

Sonya_Nillefrant can you stop spamming on forums.
You've flamed people for disagreeing with your suggestions for monks in the 2 threads you made with this exact post stating it was off topic and now your posting an off topic post in this thread.
This thread is asking about should monk be nerfed or not.Its not about your personal version of an overhaul of the monk job from the ground up.

Thank you 100% agree. And to be fair I think this thread is just about done seems the dev see Melee aside from Ninja and Samurai as too strong. More likely then not Monk and maybe Dragoon could be getting nerfed

[Mahrze]

I think it needs less of an nerf and more of an overhaul. But until the devs acknowledge it, all we can see is buffs until content is facerolled again.