Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

The reason they gave was that it may dissatisfy some people who already play the race.

I'm sure that that 0.1% of people who play Elezen would be devastated.

Reading between the lines, they're very good at providing excuses these days as to why something cannot be done. The more the game ages, though, the less patience I have for such an approach. There are many ways in which the game has changed over time with no regard as to how it affects the majority of players, yet alone the minority. It's fine - nothing remains the same way, after all. Blizzard went ahead and updated the playable character models and it worked out well enough in WoW so I fail to see why it would be a source of much controversy here.

Elves are typically the most popular playable race in an MMO when done well. That Elezen aren't popular is a clear sign of flaws with the design .They've even distanced themselves in interviews from them by attributing their design to an employee who is no longer with the company.

[Crushnight]

I don't think so, considering the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The conversation here definitely has a cycle. Doesn't seem like anyone brings anything new to the table, not that I am. I just pop in from time to time. It's amusing.

Pretty much what i do i blew my conversation load long ago, only thing that gets me really involved is stuff not appropriate to discussion. I still support, I have my own ideal male Viera but i'd rather just have them even as another Roedgyn body type than not at all, same with female Hrothgar i'd rather have them even if they are another waifu race than not at all.

My hatred for gender lock races > My love to have my ideal male Viera/female Hrothgar

[WhiteArchmage]

I don't think so, considering the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The conversation here definitely has a cycle. Doesn't seem like anyone brings anything new to the table, not that I am. I just pop in from time to time. It's amusing.

That's why I've mostly taken a seat back and only been commenting on pretty fanart The discussion ends up being very cyclical and the same points are repeated over and over (though thankfully, it's been a while since someone got here saying "I don't support and hope you don't get it because someone called the devs sexist and homophobic x months ago!"). There's been no news and, frankly, I don't expect any for...damn, the next 3 FanFests.

Personally: Viera feel half-done not just because of the missing males, but also on the hairstyle and hat fronts (which are different discussions). Hroths have the "hairs tied to faces" issue. But so far I'm content with my Viera: I like her emotes, I can work with the hair and the available headgear, and I'm loving DNC (Do I think it's in need of a buff? yes, again, another discussion entirely), Savage's been fun to learn, I'm looking forward to new content like Ishgardian Restoration and, in the meantime, Re:Legend just started Early Access so gonna play that when I need an FF break

[zeylos]

Viera were never the planned race to begin with. Hrothgar was the one they were originally planning but to keep the playerbase 'happy' they decided to make both. Personally I'd have rather they just given us Hrothgar fully this expansion then look into viera down the line if they wanted to add them so badly. For now, I'd rather they not waste resources making the opposite genders of the current ones since there are a lot of fixes that currently need to be done with the ones we have (i.e hoods, full armors, etc.)

If they are planning them? Fine let em, but as it stands their time and money can be better served elsewhere.

Personally, I think that they arent going to ever fix female viera or upgrade male hrotgar, and after seeing how hats look on em, Im not even sure if I wanna see ppl wearing them lol. I think that SE messed up waaaay beyodn repair on this and imo, for whats worth, they should just do the missing genders without hats or legacy hairstyles like female viera and male hrotgar forget about it and at least be able to market the new races again. I think missing genders are more likely to make players excited and draw in more players than race upgrades that sadly are unlikely to fix the many problems with the new races. I agree that Id prefer full Hrotgar, since we have no beast race (acually, I'd rather get another beast race than hrotgar, dotn want too many cats but still happy theyre implemented tho) since we had no beast race but as much as I like the viera race theyre hyur with bunny ears

[zeylos]

Please do not post altered or modded images of gameplay to the forums. Another recent artwork that depicts a difference between body type and height is this one, which compares Basch to Balthier as male Vieras by @vhyrel on twitter.

this is literally the exact definition of how I want male viera to look like. Racial gear + tail included. If SE ever did this theyd get like 10 fantasias from me every month just to chaneg faces xD (prefer the taller one by far)

[zeylos]

There's already multiple options for those who want to play a character that is short and slender. As has been pointed out many times, pushing the boundaries further than what is already available starts to creep into territory that is simply bizarre. Especially if such proportions are accompanied by very feminine/androgynous features.

The claim that there's already 'enough' options for big, buff men is very arguable, too. Many of us who want to play men in this game want another option that is tall and well-built without having comically oversized proportions or glaring design flaws. I'm pretty confident that Highlander men would be a lot more popular if they could be designed to have something closer to Midlander-esque features and also have access to authentic eyebrows. Basch from FFXII is an excellent example of what I refer to.

Given how male viera have been described, they're a good fit for that aesthetic. Though with that said, I already didn't expect them to come anytime soon but now I'm starting to believe that they're not going to come at all no matter how long we wait and request them to be added.

I guess I'll just have to get my 'forest elf' fix from Classic WoW instead.

I think that with classic wow and how SHB is kinda really bad once u finish MSQ FFXIV should really do everythingt hey can next expac if they want a single chance against WoW, so I think that they really should try to push in things like missing genders, PvP updates and make the missing genders fill the 2 more obviously missing niches (wood elf and feral female), personally I think that they will 100% eventually added, but I think that the onyl way to get them by 6.0 is if we keep up support like we have been doing so the devs see that we truly really want them, if not, I think they might be pushed back into 7.0 or just last expansion kind of thing

[zeylos]

Considering how unfinished the races I highly doubt we are getting the missing genders at all.

I think that we will probs get a super lazy and kinda unfinished missing genders at 6.0 so they can say they have full races bring in new players and fantasia money and call it a day, and they seem to really not care that much about the new races, considering that they still havent even given us a headgear for neither (and I dont think they even should for female viera if theyre gonna look like kriles outfit lol) other than marketing female viera even in sandwiches they dont seem to do pretty much anything with them, they even confirmed no hairstyles for male hrots and basically no hairstyles just new racial ones for female viera, makes me think theyre gonna drop missing genders and forget about the new races sadly.

[Lauront]

They're hardly the only person to draw that conclusion.

[zeylos]

It looks like someone have a brain in this topic.

Oh so theres still ppl coming here to be aggressive towards all male viera supporters? Guess some things never change lol

[Lauront]

It take realy some times then, you are about to reach 1000 pages.

Rather, it's why we're putting effort in it, because we know SE will not do it of their own accord. If you're implying that understanding their desire to put minimal effort into certain areas of the game means we should just let the topic die, it doesn't. Hence, it remains active.