Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SomeRandomHuman]

There is no need for feminine male viera. They are about to come out with the wedding dress for males. Just put that on and play a max short Miqo'te male, with bright pink blush + lipstick.

If we are trying to talk about an actual waste of resources this is definitely it.

There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

And by small, I mean something that still looks like an adult but with a thinner and svelte build that's around miqo'te Hight.

[Mylionare]

There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

That's subjective though, male midlander can fill a soft small build if that's what you'd want. Their min height is 5'6 which is relatively short when compared to other male races. Even if that didn't "fit" what you wanted, asking for a muscle slider on male miqo'te is more reasonable in my opinion than co-opting an entire racial gender to fit that niche, it's the same as people who wanted female viera to be smaller in height.

[SomeRandomHuman]

That's subjective though, male midlander can fill a soft small build if that's what you'd want. Their min height is 5'6 which is relatively short when compared to other male races. Even if that didn't "fit" what you wanted, asking for a muscle slider on male miqo'te is more reasonable in my opinion than co-opting an entire racial gender to fit that niche, it's the same as people who wanted female viera to be smaller in height.

Viera is just the scapegoat. It wouldn't matter what race it would be. There'd still be arguments for both sides.

Also I would settle for a muscle slider on Miqo'te but given SE's lack of interest for any form of any character creator updates I don't think it will ever happen.

And lastly, I can't see any argument that says male Midlander is "small" in build past hight. Midlander is pretty much the epitome of an average build based on its proportions. Elezen was on the right track to be slender, but then they messed it up by giving its limbs too much bulk.

This image is generally what I'd like to see for a svelte/small build for a male.

[Mylionare]

Viera is just the scapegoat. It wouldn't matter what race it would be. There'd still be arguments for both sides.

Also I would settle for a muscle slider on Miqo'te but given SE's lack of interest for any form of any character creator updates I don't think it will ever happen.

And lastly, I can't see any argument that says male Midlander is "small" in build past hight. Midlander is pretty much the epitome of an average build based on its proportions. Elezen was on the right track to be slender, but then they messed it up by giving its limbs too much bulk.

I don't think anyone has anything against a new race that covers "small" "stout" "soft" or "cute" akin to lalafell or miqo'te being added as long as they don't resemble children/pre-pubescent teenagers as some posters seem to want.

Ivalician moogles were brought up as a possibility.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I don't think anyone has anything against a new race that covers "small" "stout" "soft" or "cute" akin to lalafell or miqo'te being added as long as they don't resemble children/pre-pubescent teenagers as some posters seem to want.

Ivalician moogles were brought up as a possibility.

While I shan't deny there may be those that have ill intentions with a younger looking male, I will say that some folks have taken that crowd and placed anyone wanting a smaller built male into that category as well as accusing people that want a svelte male of "hi-jacking" the race and then they go and say it should have a large and burly build. Clearly when its in their favor, it's not "hi-jacking" but any kind of hint at something different? Yep that's "hi-jacking" the race entirely.

So please do pardon any bitterness in my posts, I believe the blatant hypocrisy more than a few fine folk have had throughout this thread can explain why I have it.

[DevilsDontFly]

There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

And by small, I mean something that still looks like an adult but with a thinner and svelte build that's around miqo'te Hight.

To be fair we don't really "need" it. Would be nice to have it, just like how Hrothgar were added for those who enjoy a larger physique, but it's not a necessity for the sake of balance. If anything what we "need" is a race with a Highlander or Lalafell build.

Elezen:Au Ra, Hroth:Roe, Midlander:Miqo'te. Highlanders are the one "in between" and if you prefer to play that kind of body build you're pretty much stuck with being a highlander. Same for lalafell. But that's just on the "need for balance" subject. On a personal level I'd like male Viera to be akin to Elezen, but just slightly shorter. Honest just give me a masculine build of Fem Roes when it comes to body for male Viera and I'll be happy.

[Nynuwe]

Devils make a pretty good point. Perhaps male Viera would end up being the fuzzy counterpart for male Highlanders if they are going to keep up this pattern. Female Viera have been described as taller miqote, but they could also be described as bunny eared female Highlanders without a muscle slider. Hmmm...

[Theodric]

There's already multiple options for those who want to play a character that is short and slender. As has been pointed out many times, pushing the boundaries further than what is already available starts to creep into territory that is simply bizarre. Especially if such proportions are accompanied by very feminine/androgynous features.

The claim that there's already 'enough' options for big, buff men is very arguable, too. Many of us who want to play men in this game want another option that is tall and well-built without having comically oversized proportions or glaring design flaws. I'm pretty confident that Highlander men would be a lot more popular if they could be designed to have something closer to Midlander-esque features and also have access to authentic eyebrows. Basch from FFXII is an excellent example of what I refer to.

Given how male viera have been described, they're a good fit for that aesthetic. Though with that said, I already didn't expect them to come anytime soon but now I'm starting to believe that they're not going to come at all no matter how long we wait and request them to be added.

I guess I'll just have to get my 'forest elf' fix from Classic WoW instead.

[Lauront]

Again, SE really ought to add a muscle tone slider for the existing races and also mViera, should they be added. I really don't get what the problem is or why this poses an issue. Yes, it's "unique" to Hyur and Roegadyn. Great. Find some other "unique" feature to give them that isn't as pivotal. It should never have been limited to two specific races.

A lot of their arguments for not correcting errors of the past or adding features such as this don't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'd also like the Highlander physique for Viera.

[Halivel]

We speak about heights again? Should I post another quote of mine own messages with explanation that most of options are purely 180+ height?
If people want to play something SHORT, they have.... Lalafells. If people want to play something normal height, they have Miqo'te and Midlander. Everything else is TALL.

However, I will say nothing about Viera height, because it's up to SE to decide if they will make them same range as females, or shorter, or taller.