So after waiting for about 2 weeks to see the consequence of homogenization

[TcomJ]

Machinist did have interactions with other jobs in Stormblood. You know what happened? Raid groups still took bards over machinists. The only time machinists were brought into raids was when the raid was doing a 2 physical ranged DPS and no casters.

Bards brought too much utility to raids that they were just straight up mandatory. Did Square-Enix take too much away? Maybe. Did they need to take some away? Absolutely.




Exactly. Bard plays basically the same now as it did in Stormbringers.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A6%81%E6%9C%9B

go tell them that then, I dare you.
Were you guys locked out of raid in SB like RDM/NIN pug currently? no.

[MaelleRiou]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A6%81%E6%9C%9B

go tell them that then, I dare you.
Were you guys locked out of raid in SB like RDM/NIN pug currently? no.

Yes? The standard raid comp used Bard, not Machinist. Aside for the rare occasions when a group wanted to run 2 physical ranged instead of a magical ranged.

Red Mage's damage is barely below Summoner at the moment. The problem with casters is largely due to Black Mage being overpowered and Raise having little value in raid fights with tight DPS requirements.

Ninja needs buffs, but it also doesn't need to be at the completely mandatory level it was in Stormblood. Melee balance is the worst of all 3 DPS roles at the moment.

[TcomJ]

Yes? The standard raid comp used Bard, not Machinist. Aside for the rare occasions when a group wanted to run 2 physical ranged instead of a magical ranged.

Red Mage's damage is barely below Summoner at the moment. The problem with casters is largely due to Black Mage being overpowered and Raise having little value in raid fights with tight DPS requirements.

Ninja needs buffs, but it also doesn't need to be at the completely mandatory level it was in Stormblood. Melee balance is the worst of all 3 DPS roles at the moment.

That's not remotely true. If it's NA, the reason MCH is lockout was purely latency issue. Even Rinchan Nau plays MCH and absolutely fine with it. Nobody locks MCH out in SB in Asia like they do now with RDM/NIN on pug PF slot right now everywhere in the world.

So you guys are basically using exclusive problem in a region to screw even JP bard playerbase. Oh and why BLM/MNk are blatantly OP? MOAR DMG and screw all utility classes. MUH DPS! WAHHH

But no worries, SE listens to JP players more anyway.

[MaelleRiou]

That's not remotely true. If it's NA, the reason MCH is lockout was purely latency issue. Even Rinchan Nau plays MCH and absolutely fine with it. Nobody locks MCH out in SB in Asia like they do now with RDM/NIN on pug PF slot right now everywhere in the world.

So you guys are basically using exclusive problem in a region to screw even JP bard playerbase.

But no worries, SE listens to JP players more anyway.

No, it wasn't because of latency. The North American servers are based in North America, not in Japan. It was because Bards brought way more value to the raid than Machinists did.

And I honestly see no reason why pug groups would pick up Summoners but not Red Mages when they're both bringing roughly the same amount of raid damage and both have Raise.

[TcomJ]

No, it wasn't because of latency. The North American servers are based in North America, not in Japan. It was because Bards brought way more value to the raid than Machinists did.

And I honestly see no reason why pug groups would pick up Summoners but not Red Mages when they're both bringing roughly the same amount of raid damage and both have Raise.

Everybody knows even now you can't pay MCH with ping higher than 150, so if you don't have amazing internet providers like they usually do in Japan, MCH usually sucks. Nobody blocks MCH in Asia region.

Becuase in SB, the only utility bard gets more than MCH is well, FR, Three songs, Trabadour, Battle Voice, Minne.

But Refresh, Invigorate, Palisade, with your exclusive invul down you guys have it too so don't even.
Do you guys would even bother using Refresh? Nope. Do Bard players love to use it? yes.

[MaelleRiou]

Everybody knows even now you can't pay MCH with ping higher than 150, so if you don't have amazing internet providers like they usually do in Japan, MCH usually sucks. Nobody blocks MCH in Asia region.

Becuase in SB, the only utility bard gets more than MCH is well, FR, Three songs, Trabadour, Battle Voice, Minne.

But Refresh, Invigorate, Palisade, with your exclusive invul down you guys have it too so don't even.
Do you guys would even bother using Refresh? Nope. Do Bard players love to use it? yes.

Because the damage the raid got from the vulnerability debuff did not come anywhere close to matching the damage buffs bards brought.

[TcomJ]

Because the damage the raid got from the vulnerability debuff did not come anywhere close to matching the damage buffs bards brought.

Hence you get your pDPS increase you guys always wanted, so many potency buffs for MCH back in SB. So now you get what you want but it didn't turn out how it suppose to go, you MCH players advocate for homogenization and screw all the utilities based jobs. Nice.