Eden Savage Coffers

[SaberMaxwell]

old system old system old system.
im talking about the new one, can you focus on that please?
the old sytem was bad, we agreed on that, but the new one is not perfect by any means. my main and only issue is that if you clear the fight and 1 / 8 gets EVERYTHING its not fair for the other 7. by any measure thats not fair at all.

Old system is the precedent system, the anchor system to which the current will always inevitably be compared.

Your proposed system doesn't make it much better, you're still not likely to get an item out of Savage. You'd probably end up with loot stalemates like this as well, with people not rolling on item b until they determined whether they'd get item a or not because one otherwise can't control what drops first (and thus, what stays need or drops to greed first).

[DrWho2010]

old system old system old system.
im talking about the new one, can you focus on that please?
the old sytem was bad, we agreed on that, but the new one is not perfect by any means. my main and only issue is that if you clear the fight and 1 / 8 gets EVERYTHING its not fair for the other 7. by any measure thats not fair at all.

that's the way the cookie crumbles?

old system - if everything was for your class and you were that only class you could get everything.
new system - everything is for every class and your rolls are godly you can get everything.

not really much difference.

at least you still have a page.

this is how extending content works. longevity. sure yoshi-p says take a break when you're done with stuff but if ppl expect to be fully geared out within 4 weeks of savage that's also bad.

[EaMett]

It was an odd choice. Honestly I can see this being a pain in pugs since you're now competing with 8 people who can roll on everything. In statics it's also awkward depending on your role. For example as a healer I know I will never get my gloves. I will need to save pages for those.
Restricting to one item per person per week for that instance is also not ideal since statics may want to allocate multiple pieces to a single person. With that said it would be a minor inconvenience.

Another option would be to give normal loot in addition to coffers. They could guarantee an item for the classes present and a coffer for instance.

They all have downsides, guess they just went with the PUG RNG hell one.

[JunseiKei]

Another option would be to give normal loot in addition to coffers. They could guarantee an item for the classes present and a coffer for instance.

Another issue to bring up is something my old group encountered during Midas. We got Midan Belt of Fending for 7 weeks in a row. SEVEN! Not to mention gear never dropped according to what classes were present. At least with this system, there are literally no wasted drops.

[Vidu]

old system old system old system.
im talking about the new one, can you focus on that please?
the old sytem was bad, we agreed on that, but the new one is not perfect by any means. my main and only issue is that if you clear the fight and 1 / 8 gets EVERYTHING its not fair for the other 7. by any measure thats not fair at all.

RNG is RNG and it will never be "fair" - thats why the game has two safety nets in place:
1) an alternative way to get gear by spending tomestones, a currency you're guaranteed to get
2) an alternative way to get raid-gear by spending the pages you're guaranteed to get

Yes, one person can get all 4 pieces of loot - but how likely is that? I'm asking because I'm to tired to do the math right now, so I'll just leave that out there: How likely is that one person outrolls 7 other people 4 times in a row?
Even if you dont like people bringing up the old system: I bet you its way less likely than getting 4 drops that are absolutly useless to the group you're just in...

Personally I think that the game has added a lot of ways to ensure that everyone can get their BiS-set eventually and a decent set more or less "straight away". Requests like this always make me wait for the day when someone asks "Hey, I queued for the current Savage and we started the fight, but wiped after 2 minutes and now I want a full Savage-set to drop right into my inventory because I attempted the fight and want my reward for that!"

[Shamsiel]

for people that keep saying: Pages, books or whatever you call me.

You need those... not only for the gear but for the items like the twine to upgrade the currency gear.
Books are also 100% drop so for me, doesnt count at all, you need a good chunk of them for only 1 item.

[JunseiKei]

for people that keep saying: Pages, books or whatever you call me.

You need those... not only for the gear but for the items like the twine to upgrade the currency gear.
Books are also 100% drop so for me, doesnt count at all, you need a good chunk of them for only 1 item.

And eventually those twines will be added to the 24 man and hunts while we have ... what? 7 months ...? ... until the next raid tier. Not to mention not all of your BiS will be from the savage raids. Some of it will be with crafted and some of it will be from tomes and on the rare occasion, a piece from the 24 man. It's not the end of the digital world.

[Akonyl]

The new system's better for statics, but I can see how it's worse for pugs now if people just roll on coffers all the time anyway for alt gear/whatever (since previously you could expect gear to increase in PFs over time + for people to stop needing on their own gear they already have, but now they have no reason to).

It might be good to start having a mix of the two systems (like with how the final raid fight was in SB), with 1 coffer + the others being actual pieces like it used to be. That way you have a coffer to help smooth gear acquisition for statics, but also have real pieces to make sure people don't get gear for alts over people on their current mains (since it'd have the need/greed difference again).

[Vidu]

for people that keep saying: Pages, books or whatever you call me.

You need those... not only for the gear but for the items like the twine to upgrade the currency gear.
Books are also 100% drop so for me, doesnt count at all, you need a good chunk of them for only 1 item.

I dont really follow that logic - because its a 100% drop that everyone gets they dont count towards your gear-progression...?

[Aomine1992]

Yea I was grieving earlier lol like 4th week and not a single item from 3 floors lol like could they lower the book cost a little to compensate for this loot drop which isn’t any better then the previous. Like both loot gathering ways are bad idk I guess I’ll just continue to have the one thing I bought with E1s books