Eden Savage Coffers

[Shamsiel]

So, 4 weeks have passed
im on the 4th week of getting nothing out of floor 1 and 2, recently cleared e3s so i wont count it in.
4 weeks where each floor drops loot for everyone, my main issue is: why one person can get all the loot with no restrictions?

is this some kind of joke for partyfinder players or what?
From a static pov you can organize the loot and optimize as much as possible the loot for dps, tank and healers and that sounds great, but from a pf player its not that great.

i may be unlucky as i can get, dropping 0 loot from any floor for 4 weeks, but my question is: how is fair that 1 person has the chance to get everything?
how one player deserves the work of 8 people?
isnt locking the drop after 1 enough? i mean, you worked hard and everything but denying drops to 7 people because of pure luck is... bad, they cleared that fight too.

The "unique" item description is pointless atm, coffers dont count as unique items that you have so you can roll as you please, even if you have full 470 gear you are still well able to get everything.

Im well aware about the books and the exchange but this doesnt help at all, if i want to get all 5 accessories i need to clear e1s for 20 weeks, and this is for a single class, making gearing multiple classes impossible if you are just UNLUCKY, not ad bad player, unlucky one.

After all the arguments that people brought up, I don't have a solution, but that's not what I'm here to tell you, I'm here so people can
A Change my mind
B someone higher notice and maybe can bring a new idea that doesn't break the loot system itself

I know its all about being mad because i got nothing after 4 weeks of grind, but thats the point... i dont feel rewarded in any way by clearing these new savages, they are not fair in their reward system.

[galbsadi]

I feel your pain. It might be a good idea for the devs to put a restriction in so you can only get one piece/week in a group, similar to how they do on normal.

That might create issues with some statics, though, so I'm not sure the best way to implement that.

[Nora_of_Mira]

I hate to say it, but this is how RNG works. Im assuming if the feedback is loud enough, Yoshi and the gang will revert it but likely not this tier.

[JWag12787]

So, 4 weeks have passed
im on the 4th week of getting nothing out of floor 1 and 2, recently cleared e3s so i wont count it in.
4 weeks where each floor drops loot for everyone, my main issue is: why one person can get all the loot with no restrictions?

is this some kind of joke for partyfinder players or what?
From a static pov you can organize the loot and optimize as much as possible the loot for dps, tank and healers and that sounds great, but from a pf player its not that great.

i may be unlucky as i can get, dropping 0 loot from any floor for 4 weeks, but my question is: how is fair that 1 person has the chance to get everything?
how one player deserves the work of 8 people?
isnt locking the drop after 1 enough? i mean, you worked hard and everything but denying drops to 7 people because of pure luck is... bad, they cleared that fight too.

The "unique" item description is pointless atm, coffers dont count as unique items that you have so you can roll as you please, even if you have full 470 gear you are still well able to get everything.

Im well aware about the books and the exchange but this doesnt help at all, if i want to get all 5 accessories i need to clear e1s for 20 weeks, and this is for a single class, making gearing multiple classes impossible if you are just UNLUCKY.

A simple solution will be to lock the coffers, after you get 1, im pretty sure its enough, you are anyway gettin more then most of the party
clear example is e1s, 3 drops and 8 people. if you get 1 item you are already above others (5/8 drop nothing at all)

I know its all about being mad because i got nothing after 4 weeks of grind, but thats the point... i dont feel rewarded in any way by clearing these new savages, they are not fair in their reward system.

As Yoshi P mentioned in the live letter, yes, you can get none. But you can also be lucky and get it all.


That being said, you can also keep running until you get loot drops as well, and aren't limited to once a week like the regular ones are, so your odds of getting loot increase substantially from that alone.
Otherwise, best bet is to find a static with set rules on the loot, and use that as your method.

[Shamsiel]

As Yoshi P mentioned in the live letter, yes, you can get none. But you can also be lucky and get it all.


That being said, you can also keep running until you get loot drops as well, and aren't limited to once a week like the regular ones are, so your odds of getting loot increase substantially from that alone.
Otherwise, best bet is to find a static with set rules on the loot, and use that as your method.

Thats the point, clearing all the floors and getting nothing isnt that great of a feeling, after all you did that fight too.
"you can also keep running until you get loot drops as well" this is true for normal mode only.

[JWag12787]

Thats the point, clearing all the floors and getting nothing isnt that great of a feeling, after all you did that fight too.
"you can also keep running until you get loot drops as well" this is true for normal mode only.

Correct. My mistake. Still new to SAVAGE raiding myself. Still waiting for the RNG to bless me as well too.

[HyoMinPark]

That being said, you can also keep running until you get loot drops as well, and aren't limited to once a week like the regular ones are, so your odds of getting loot increase substantially from that alone.

You can’t do that with Savage. Once you clear, that’s your clear and your loot drops for the week until they lift the restrictions.

for people that keep saying: Pages, books or whatever you call me.

You need those... not only for the gear but for the items like the twine to upgrade the currency gear.
Books are also 100% drop so for me, doesnt count at all, you need a good chunk of them for only 1 item.

I mean, they could have just kept the Coil system—Coil didn’t drop pages, so if your gear didn’t drop that week, you were SOL and had to keep waiting with no other way to get the gear you need. At least with the pages, you can save up for the drops you’d need. Yes, you could also need them for the upgrade pieces...but those have always been “everyone can Need”. So, if you win it, you win it. If you don’t, you don’t. The upgrade pieces are still, more or less, on the old system.

Let's clear something about the dead coffers you would get at the end of the progress.

First: Those were not dead to begin with,anyone could get them and I doubt that at the end of the run none wanted that piece for a second job.

Not necessarily—it was quite possible with the old system for dead gear to drop multiple times (and hit the floor multiple times) if a static had zero use for it for people’s mains or secondaries.

During Alphascape, the Omega Gloves of Aiming dropped five weeks in a row for my static. Those gloves weren’t BiS for myself (BRD) or for the MCH we originally had. They hit the floor each time they dropped because no one aside from us secondaried or played physical ranged. We also had a similar issue with the Omega Shoes of Healing, which, if I recall, also weren’t BiS, and I was the only one with a healer secondary—so they started hitting the floor as well. Oh, and the DRG Spear dropped like 4 times. Only one of the players in my old static played DRG—I rolled on it eventually because why not; but I don’t play melee that often, so it’s gone unused.

Third: the rng was on the items, not on the rolls that players would apply making it all less painful to see when lose all 3 items because your roll suck, and to be fair... This isn't extreme, you can't simply rejoin and get something.

How it is less painful to see casting gear drop each week when your static doesn’t run a caster/have anyone that plays caster, but you’ve been waiting for your Aiming body to drop for 8 weeks now (this was the case for me in Alphascape with O12S—lots of Casting bodies...no Aiming ones)? Sure, maybe people would roll on it, but it was also likely they’d just let it hit the floor if they weren’t going to use it (which is what started happening with those body pieces that kept dropping for my group).

Forth: I have all the accessories for my main job but I can drop everything over and over and keep the coffers in my inventory so one day maybe I will change class, while for week people that want to gear up don't have a single 470 item.

I mean, if you don’t need the accessory coffers, and if you aren’t planning on using them for alt jobs, why are you rolling on them? Why not pass so someone else who may actually need the items get them? I fail to see the point of this...point. Unless you’re specifically putting it in there as a “other people could do this” kind of thing.

Fifth: Is it really fair for 1 person to drop everything, just because got luck? Clearing in pf is already hard by itself, adding this to the roulette each time you finish a run, ain't fun i tell you.

I feel like you’d be singing a different tune if you were to luckily win everything each week. RNG isn’t a fair system; Luck isn’t fair. You can have crappy rolls one week... and then the next week suddenly roll 90+ on everything and walk off with it all.


I can’t think of any way to “improve” the coffers—adding in “[Accessory] Coffer of Aiming” would more or less be like the old system—and I haven’t seen you suggest any yourself. The only suggestion I’ve seen is awarding an extra page to those who don’t win a coffer, which I think would be fine.

[Vnolan]

Make a party that agrees on only getting one piece max per floor?

[Shamsiel]

Make a party that agrees on only getting one piece max per floor?

and in what way does this fix the issue? you can still get nothing out of it and requires you to clear a second time the same floor. while holding on progress for the others.
Its perfect for statics with alts because they can equip their main class in no time due to this, but for partyfinder, you still need to clear it with random people that you arent sure they know what they are doing.

[SaberMaxwell]

That's the nature of the beast right now, and you yourself point out 5/8 aren't gonna get anything even with your proposed solution. Under the old system, your loot just would never drop--that "20 weeks" figure (ignoring that most don't field a full set of Savage accessories) more or less happened to my group in Sigmascape. Our nin and bed didn't get a single Aiming drop from the first floor for the whole tier, had to buy all of their accessories from the vendor.

This is the best loot system XIV has had for a while, probably ever, for Savage.