Lack of End Game Content

[MonteCristo]

thats bc Tomestones are meant to supplement gearing while you get Savage gear. getting only tomestone gear will get you gear for the next patch cycle months and months away, so there is no reason to grind tomestones unless your gearing for savage. the brain dead hamster method, as you call it, is for people that cannot commit the time for savage.

With all due respect..savage isnt that complicated. People make time for what they want. The only time consuming part of savage is learning once you know what you are doing its repetition...lets not forget the fights in this game are scripted its just memory and application.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

With all due respect..savage isnt that complicated. People make time for what they want. The only time consuming part of savage is learning once you know what you are doing its repetition...lets not forget the fights in this game are scripted its just memory and application.

Which explains why you've done them all right? You don't even have any primal mounts...

[Avraym]

Which explains why you've done them all right? You don't even have any primal mounts...

Argh.. Theres that competitionist elitist mentality. Just because someone hasn't successfully run each Extreme 100 times for the totems or the miracle drop, doesn't mean they haven't done them.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Argh.. Theres that competitionist elitist mentality. Just because someone hasn't successfully run each Extreme 100 times for the totems or the miracle drop, doesn't mean they haven't done them.

Ponies drop at a rediculous rate. They have not a single one.

Most people who do extremes at least have 1 mount. It's not completionist elitism. I'm not saying they don't have all of them, I don't have them all. They have none.

For someone to claim savage is easy as it's just memorization, you'd expect to see savage clears, primal mounts, minions from them.

They have nothing.

I have nothing to hide, my achievements are public. Most people claiming that endgame is easy and there isn't enough of it don't back that up with the same.

[Zabuza]

Ponies drop at a rediculous rate. They have not a single one.

Most people who do extremes at least have 1 mount. It's not completionist elitism. I'm not saying they don't have all of them, I don't have them all. They have none.

For someone to claim savage is easy as it's just memorization, you'd expect to see savage clears, primal mounts, minions from them.

They have nothing.

I had to do roughly 150 Innocence runs before the mount would drop for me. I saw roughly 7 trumpets during that timeframe, and did not win the roll until the 7th drop of it. I don't know what you mean by 'ponies drop at a ridiculous rate.' Unless you mean ridiculous in how rarely they drop. Seems to be about 5%, maybe less. Then you have to actually win the roll vs everyone else who wants it...

I have nothing to hide, my achievements are public. Most people claiming that endgame is easy and there isn't enough of it don't back that up with the same.

Which is why I, a Savage raider with proof of clears, chimed in to this conversation. Then people proceeded to move the goalposts even further and say 'but you haven't beaten Ultimate though.' A mode that is static required if you want to beat it and less than 1% have completed. So it moved from having to beat Savage to discuss endgame, to having to beat Ultimate to discuss endgame. That's when it tipped me off that people just wanted to dismiss the argument altogether, and were looking for any excuse to do so.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I had to do roughly 150 Innocence runs before the mount would drop for me. I saw roughly 7 trumpets during that timeframe, and did not win the roll until the 7th drop of it. I don't know what you mean by 'ponies drop at a ridiculous rate.' Unless you mean ridiculous in how rarely they drop. Seems to be about 5%, maybe less.

Ponies, from arr. You know, Ponies. You can solo them now and get a mount in a couple runs. Savage drops mounts. In a static, guaranteed to get one after 8 runs. They have none. They literally have nothing minion or mount from Savage content, and no recorded clears of any of them either, and hidden achievements.

[Avraym]

Ponies, from arr. You know, Ponies. You can solo them now and get a mount in a couple runs. Savage drops mounts. In a static, guaranteed to get one after 8 runs. They have none. They literally have nothing minion or mount from Savage content, and no recorded clears of any of them either, and hidden achievements.

And that is supposed to be the measure of end game experience?

Wether or not someone has a few 1.0 Ponies?

I don't think I have any extreme mounts from Shadowbringers, Stormblood or Heavensward.

But I've completed all the extremes many times, over and over just the same.

[MonteCristo]

Which explains why you've done them all right? You don't even have any primal mounts...

I dont care about sparkly horses nor am in interested in the same scripted insert a boss here ilvl dependent mess that has seemingly made most people feel current endgame is fresh or new.

[Nora_of_Mira]

With all due respect..savage isnt that complicated. People make time for what they want. The only time consuming part of savage is learning once you know what you are doing its repetition...lets not forget the fights in this game are scripted its just memory and application.

not only is this wrong, but it has nothing to do with what you quoted from me.

my point was about people thinking the tomestone grind is tedious w/o questioning why they are grinding tomestones in the first place. The truth is, you dont need to grind tomestones. Literally everything drops tomestones. If you're not actively trying to clear Savage, you dont need your tomestone gear ASAP, and you dont need to cap 450 times a week, and you dont need to grind.

unless you want full tomestone gear to just..wait for next patch cycle and...do the tomestone cap again. If youre not doing extremes/savage you dont really need the latest tomestone gear.

[Jojoya]

If youre not doing extremes/savage you dont really need the latest tomestone gear.

People playing games are rarely motivated primarily by what they need. They're motivated by what they want. The game itself is optional, after all. They could be doing other things with their time.

So many players want the tomestone gear because the increase in stats makes it easier for them to complete the other content they are doing even though lower ilvl gear is sufficient. Until the player can one shot everything in their preferred content, getting upgrades will remain relevant if still optional. It's up to the individual to decide if the grind to get the upgrades is worth the hassle for the benefit they see.

I just wish those who choose to pursue the grind for whatever reason would stop complaining about it. They made the choice to do it when they easily could have chosen to do something else instead. If it's that lacking in fun, why do it?