Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
You don't need to be hardcore to have had Titania Weapon, Innocence Drops and Geotia before Savage drops. I'm not a hardcore raider or anything, but I well and truly had BiS pre savage. I think your standards are a bit low given how friendly Extremes are to pick up and play through.
I was saying "anybody remotely serious" had this...and you're proving my point. Like me, you're also not a hardcore raider, but also had BiS pre-savage. That was literally my point...it was that easy, and Goetia was more a starting point than anything.

I didn't say ALL, i just said a LOT. In SMN/RDM case, 6 to be exact. Thats almost 50% of your equipment.
That's where requiring savage to upgrade it comes into play. It's also a good thing that it's not entirely directly from Savage drops, or certain players (read: healers like me) would barely be getting our BiS when alliance raids came out (if we were lucky). This is especially true with the new coffer system (that means all healer/tank pieces are also DPS pieces too).

I do like how they require Eden Savage to reach their full potential however.
And been this way literally as long as I can remember. It was this way all throughout Stormblood, I believe it was this way during HW (didn't play, can't confirm myself), and it was (albeit in a different way) this way in ARR as well (with tomestone gear at lv70 when I played then, AR gear [we had one alliance raid, LotA] at 80, and Bahamut gear at 90). SE's been good about this formula, I trust them to continue with it.