Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
I disagree. You can easily get Rokan's Goetia full set in a day - even in 5.0... that sure didn't feel like it was padding out content.

Phantasmagoria tomes are a different story with the cap and smaller gains - but it still feels lacklustre and too easy to obtain (lets remember that a lot of 470 gear BiS is Phantasmagoria).

I'd prefer if tomes were rewarded for greater achievements, rather than capped and hidden behind unchallenging content in an attempt to drag things out by nature.
Things to note here, though:

1.) Goetia wasn't really a cap set as much as a starter set. Anybody who was even remotely serious about Savage raiding had at least 6 pieces above what Goetia gives before Savage even dropped (that'd be 4 accessories from Innocence, one weapon from Titania, and at least one piece from Eden normal). Others even at the midcore level had more still (example: I was ilvl 450 before entering Savage the first time [Goetia is 440 {technically 439 b/c you can't have two 440 rings}]). (Mind you, I'm *not* a hardcore raider [did that back in WoW during Wrath, and did not enjoy it]...but I'm also not going to be the one holding my group back if I can help it.)

2.) Several pieces of BiS aren't Phantasmagoria (for me personally, 7 pieces are Edengrace).

3.) Until patch 5.1 drops, all 470 gear requires savage raids, even phantasmagoria pieces (which are only 460 without the upgrade pieces from savage). That is by definition greater rewards for greater achievements.