Lack of End Game Content

[BlitzAceRush]

Gallery, I present Exhibit A in my evidence of hatred towards raiders.

That's not hatred, it's a valid point. You're arguing that their loss is a loss to 14 but people point out 14 continues to grow and be bigger without them.
People are talking to you about the issue, you just don't like what they're saying, having the stance the game is fine and perhaps you'll find what you seek elsewhere is just a valid as you asking for change, but apparently unless we just agree with you we're "attacking" you and trying to "silence" you.

You're trying so hard to play the victim because people don't agree with what you want as you argue a subjective point as an objective point. YOU feel there is a lack of endgame content, the devs and the majority feel that things are fine as is, you can want more but you're not standing on some kind of factual high ground.

You have a right to suggest content, do so, people have a right to disagree and offer counter points, they can do so, this is a public forum, if you don't want discussion that may disagree with your view point then post your suggestion in feedback/the live letter Q&A section and move on, otherwise stop attacking others for disagreeing with you because at this point you're just hiding behind what was said to you 50 pages back and twisting others words to justify your aggressive stance.

[Zabuza]

That's not hatred, it's a valid point. You're arguing that their loss is a loss to 14 but people point out 14 continues to grow and be bigger without them.
People are talking to you about the issue, you just don't like what they're saying, having the stance the game is fine and perhaps you'll find what you seek elsewhere is just a valid as you asking for change, but apparently unless we just agree with you we're "attacking" you and trying to "silence" you.

You're trying so hard to play the victim because people don't agree with what you want as you argue a subjective point as an objective point. YOU feel there is a lack of endgame content, the devs and the majority feel that things are fine as is, you can want more but you're not standing on some kind of factual high ground.

You have a right to suggest content, do so, people have a right to disagree and offer counter points, they can do so, this is a public forum, if you don't want discussion that may disagree with your view point then post your suggestion in feedback/the live letter Q&A section and move on, otherwise stop attacking others for disagreeing with you because at this point you're just hiding behind what was said to you 50 pages back and twisting others words to justify your aggressive stance.

He essentially said, raiders please leave, you won't be missed. Yet I'm the aggressive one eh? Yeah, sure. I wasn't the only one who expressed frustration with the endgame and the fact that you guys were pretty aggressive. I'm just the only one still posting about it. The others have probably given up, because they know their words won't be heard.

[Nariel]

Yeah and even with their unsubbing the game still grow steadily, so they are not missed.

He essentially said, raiders please leave, you won't be missed. Yet I'm the aggressive one eh? Yeah, sure.

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Game growth show that their departure isn't noticeable. A raider sub don't worth more than any other sub. They don't loose player, they don't miss them since they even recommend to unsub till new content arrive.

Its hard cold fact I'm not sorry it hurt your feeling because I'm such a hater but truth hurt sometime, either you deal with it or you live a deluded life.

[HyoMinPark]

I mean, it's literally one fight per tier. Not much in actual content but difficulty, for sure.

It’s one fight that is more challenging and carries more weight than the four you are progressing through currently. And it certainly took the best players in the game longer to clear than any Savage tier since Midas (UCoB took about 13 days; UwU took about 6 days—for comparison, Creator took about 36 hours; Deltascape, Sigmascape, and Alphascape took about 18 hours; and Eden took less than that).

Shrugging off Ultimate because “it’s just one fight” isn’t really a decent excuse not to acknowledge the content.

[Rai_Takara]

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Game growth show that their departure isn't noticeable. A raider sub don't worth more than any other sub. They don't loose player, they don't miss them since they even recommend to unsub till new content arrive.

Its hard cold fact I'm not sorry it hurt your feeling because I'm such a hater.

Haven't followed the entire conversation so maybe this is addressed but, the fact that ultimate content exists (and continues to exist) is a testament to how much raider subs matter. Otherwise there'd be no reason to even develop any time and resources toward it.

[Zabuza]

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Game growth show that their departure isn't noticeable. A raider sub don't worth more than any other sub. They don't loose player, they don't miss them since they even recommend to unsub till new content arrive.

Its hard cold fact I'm not sorry it hurt your feeling because I'm such a hater but truth hurt sometime, either you deal with it or you live a deluded life.

It's fine. I expect nothing less than complete hostility from your side at this point. I just find it amusing that I'm being painted as the aggressor.

It’s one fight that is more challenging and carries more weight than the four you are progressing through currently. And it certainly took the best players in the game longer to clear than any Savage tier since Midas (UCoB took about 13 days; UwU took about 6 days—for comparison, Creator took about 36 hours; Deltascape, Sigmascape, and Alphascape took about 18 hours; and Eden took less than that).

Shrugging off Ultimate because “it’s just one fight” isn’t really a decent excuse not to acknowledge the content.

I acknowledged its difficulty.

[Nariel]

Haven't followed the entire conversation so maybe this is addressed but, the fact that ultimate content exists (and continues to exist) is a testament to how much raider subs matter. Otherwise there'd be no reason to even develop any time and resources toward it.

Well they sure try to give a toy to everyone, they have allowed ressources for hardcore content and its savage + ultimate (you probably could add ex primal who is the easy part of the hardcore content), there is plenty of challenge, very few are interested in the extremely hardcore so its understandable the staff don't create even more than they already do in detriment of other thing.

They even had a third ultimate in mind for SB but they had to take ressources somewhere and it was the ultimate who was sacrified first.

My point isn't that they don't care at all, they do. Its more they already do as much as they possibily can and its pretty much work as it is.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

It's fine. I expect nothing less than complete hostility from your side at this point. I just find it amusing that I'm being painted as the aggressor.



I acknowledged its difficulty.

At this point you're just painting a picture of yourself with a victim complex.

[Zabuza]

At this point you're just painting a picture of yourself with a victim complex.

I mean, when people literally tell you to leave. Whatever though, you're right. No one is being hostile towards me at allllll. I'm just telling you I'm not the aggressor and that my defense has been justified, given the disrespect with which I have been treated over this thread. I honestly feel it is a microcosm towards how raiders in general are seen as in this game. But I should just stay silent and take the punches right? Honestly, what would you have me do?

[Rai_Takara]

Well they sure try to give a toy to everyone, they have allowed ressources for hardcore content and its savage + ultimate (you probably could add ex primal who is the easy part of the hardcore content), there is plenty of challenge, very few are interested in the extremely hardcore so its understandable the staff don't create even more than they already do in detriment of other thing.

I don't think there is a reason to create any more raid content. Savage is there for most people while Ultimates exist for the most hardcore raiders and take them on average 1-3 months to clear, which is just in time for the next savage raid. Raiders also tend to make their own end-game with sites like FFLogs and focus on leaderboards and personal growth.

Personally I'd like an actual relic quest line that's not tied behind Eureka like content. I missed the old ways of doing relic compared to the fate fest that came through SB.