Can we talk about how mnk, drg, and blm are blatantly overpowered right now?

[Vendalwind]

And the no DPS utility classes should have higher personal DPS than those with utility.

The above phrase makes no sense.
Other than that I agree with most of your sentiments.

Literally dont know what you meant here.

[IchiExorz]

The above phrase makes no sense.
Other than that I agree with most of your sentiments.

Literally dont know what you meant here.

Sorry I just meant that classes without DPS utility should have more personal DPS than those who do have DPS utility.

[TaiyouSeishin]

Has it? Ranged have often had stronger rDPS than melee in this game despite having more mechanics which only affect melee than mechanics which only affect ranged.
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Mmos ive played like WoW didnt seem to have a high tax. I remember ranged classes competing with melee just the same. In a standing fight, one was never inherently lower. Its just odd.. i "understand" but... kinda dont?

[Laur1x]

SAM and MNK need to be completely swapped in terms of numbers, SAM should be up there with BLM, not below MNK/DRG.

NIN still needs lots of tuning.

[CrashofZenki]

I disagree.

A good SAM should be over a good MNK, but a great monk should be over a great SAM.
Same would apply to DRG.
DPS with utility should have the opening to exceed pure DPS classes if the party they are in enables their rDPS to do so.

[Eliadil]

DPS with utility should have the opening to exceed pure DPS classes if the party they are in enables their rDPS to do so.

Then for what reason would you keep a BLM or SAM in your group ? If a Dragoon boosted by a Dancer or a Monk boosted can deal more damage than a BLM/SAM boosted, then SAM and BLM are basically useless, no ? ^^

[Nexxus]

BLM does a lot of damage but our cast times are poo and we are incredibly squishy.

Try playing BLM on Eden's Titan. We need the high DPS to show why we are worth having because it is very easy to either die or lose cast opportunities to dodging.

I never get why, because the class is squishy or else, you get to deal massively more damage.
As long as on the parse you're top DPS, squishy or not, you were still alive to deal thoses massive damage, so you're not so squishy enough... (plus you have tools that bring you more survival).

I think, if you were lowered to a DPS, sync with others Melee DPS, it would be rewarding enough despit the "squishyness and casting"...


Remember that healer does the important part, they keep you alive... !!

[CrashofZenki]

You keep BLM and SAM, they would still then be prefered in 9/10 parties. (Unless they think they are better than they are.)

[TaiyouSeishin]

Then for what reason would you keep a BLM or SAM in your group ? If a Dragoon boosted by a Dancer or a Monk boosted can deal more damage than a BLM/SAM boosted, then SAM and BLM are basically useless, no ? ^^

The point, is that youd need the raw pdps of SAM and BLM to get those numbers, a dragoon tethering a monk should not give them as much rdps as SAM. A NIN putting trick up for a a DNC, SMN, and DRG would not net them as much rdps as it would with a SAM, BLM, and MCH.

The opposite would also be true, if a dps class with only a dps utility is unable to exceed a pdps (with max cooperation) why bring the utility. Dps utility is designed to raise raid dps, if it doesnt compare to pdps, just bring pdps, cuz those with utility are basically useless, no?

Honestly, if drg and nin had utility otherbthan dpsing increase, then SAM should by all by all accounts remaim om highest damage, but they wanted to go away from that with NIN... which its one utility, barely has an effect atm

[Endariel]

Just remove all the utility from DPS.
Give those to healers, or create an new group of jobs called 'enchanters'