Dear Paladins

[Marc-Vigar]

I don't like this mindset you're saying here, the healer was probably letting you get low then burst heal you back up, unless you would have actually died, the pld sustain is unecessary

And how is the tank suposed to know that if the healer doesn't say anything? For good or bad we are responsable of the party so our survival is top our priority because if we die, the party will most likely die after us.

Our job is to survive, not to gamble if the healer will use his cooldowns or not.

[Fynlar]

I, too, get annoyed at a tank at least making some attempt to keep themselves alive. How dare they, warglbargl, etc.

[Tigore]

I may need to see more context on why the Paladin is using Clemency. Most times, they seem to trust me healing and only do it on wall to wall pulls when it does become helpful to me. Even if I have the Excog put out on the Scholar, I have learned to treat it like an emergency buff. Tanks generally do not like their health dropping below 50% if the pull is not wall to wall. I once had a White Mage use Benediction until I reached around 10% HP and it generates a very freaky feeling that no other heals are used in favour of DPS until that time.

If I do get a Paladin using Clemency no matter what I do, I will probably just shrug my shoulders, give them a "Regen" and DPS more.

[Allooutrick]

I've had plenty of times where party members are low on hp, healers are burning their mp to keep up, or just got revived. Clemency was useful in all those times to assist the healers. I take a slight dps loss in not being able to spam my spells, they get a breather. Sometimes that clemency has saved myself or a party member.

It just comes down to learning how the healer operates in the beginning moments of the fight.

[Dynia]

You do not need to spam Clemency every time you go below 95% health. You are probably annoying the crap out of your healer, please stop.

why is annoying ? I don't get it, I play as tank and healer ... in both situations still don't get it ...
cause you will kill mobs 5 sec longer ?

[ashwich]

why is annoying ? I don't get it, I play as tank and healer ... in both situations still don't get it ...
cause you will kill mobs 5 sec longer ?

well. If you can keep yourself alive without my help at all, I can hands off and do my thing. But chances are PLDs can't sustain the self heal. So if I have to keep my eye on your health bar like a hawk anyway, I should decide when you're getting heals and how much. I can plan my heal rotation based on how quickly your HP depletes, it's impossible to predict when each PLD decides to heal themselves. Wasting heals suck. Wasting GCDs standing there because I'm not sure whether you'll heal yourself back up the next second or drop dead also sucks.

[Dynia]

well. If you can keep yourself alive without my help at all, I can hands off and do my thing. But chances are PLDs can't sustain the self heal. So if I have to keep my eye on your health bar like a hawk anyway, I should decide when you're getting heals and how much. I can plan my heal rotation based on how quickly your HP depletes, it's impossible to predict when each PLD decides to heal themselves. Wasting heals suck. Wasting GCDs standing there because I'm not sure whether you'll heal yourself back up the next second or drop dead also sucks.

I played with many healers who left my hp to 20%, I should not use clemacy then too ?

[ashwich]

I played with many healers who left my hp to 20%, I should not use clemacy then too ?

Honestly, fine, probably. If they end up letting you die, different story.

[Misutoraru]

What’s more likely happening is the paladins are being left at low hp, see the healer casting dps spells and decide to take care of it themselves since the healer can’t be bothered.

last time i trust a SCH i end up sleeping on the floor

and last time i run orbonne monastery, I end up solo healing

of cause those are extreme cases, but can't blame me for being cautious

especially since ShB more and more healer become "must DPS at all cost" and forget their first job

[Hezzlocks]

It saddens me that things like Benediction is designated as a "dps" tool to be abused to allow more time dpsing, when it's clear that the original intent of the spell is an "oh crap" button when things go sideways and someone is about to die.

Some of these healers need to think about the tanks perspective. We see our health drop to 10% or less, see the healer casting another Glare, what are we supposed to do? Just keep spinning and hope the healer is fast enough with that Benediction? Lord no. If the tank dies there's a good chance the tank will be blamed instead of the healer who wouldn't heal. And oddly enough if the tank decides not to heal and then dies, the tank does kind of deserve some of that blame because it could hsve been avoided if you had used Clemency, yet if you use Clemency to survive then the healer can claim they had you and you wasted time healing... basically damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I usually don't find that I have to but I will use Clemency if I end up below 20% and the healer is still DPSing. I've killed enough bossed where the healer died early to be confident in my MP usage.