Dear Paladins

[Tigore]

I may need to see more context on why the Paladin is using Clemency. Most times, they seem to trust me healing and only do it on wall to wall pulls when it does become helpful to me. Even if I have the Excog put out on the Scholar, I have learned to treat it like an emergency buff. Tanks generally do not like their health dropping below 50% if the pull is not wall to wall. I once had a White Mage use Benediction until I reached around 10% HP and it generates a very freaky feeling that no other heals are used in favour of DPS until that time.

If I do get a Paladin using Clemency no matter what I do, I will probably just shrug my shoulders, give them a "Regen" and DPS more.

[Allooutrick]

I've had plenty of times where party members are low on hp, healers are burning their mp to keep up, or just got revived. Clemency was useful in all those times to assist the healers. I take a slight dps loss in not being able to spam my spells, they get a breather. Sometimes that clemency has saved myself or a party member.

It just comes down to learning how the healer operates in the beginning moments of the fight.

[Dynia]

You do not need to spam Clemency every time you go below 95% health. You are probably annoying the crap out of your healer, please stop.

why is annoying ? I don't get it, I play as tank and healer ... in both situations still don't get it ...
cause you will kill mobs 5 sec longer ?

[ashwich]

why is annoying ? I don't get it, I play as tank and healer ... in both situations still don't get it ...
cause you will kill mobs 5 sec longer ?

well. If you can keep yourself alive without my help at all, I can hands off and do my thing. But chances are PLDs can't sustain the self heal. So if I have to keep my eye on your health bar like a hawk anyway, I should decide when you're getting heals and how much. I can plan my heal rotation based on how quickly your HP depletes, it's impossible to predict when each PLD decides to heal themselves. Wasting heals suck. Wasting GCDs standing there because I'm not sure whether you'll heal yourself back up the next second or drop dead also sucks.

[Dynia]

well. If you can keep yourself alive without my help at all, I can hands off and do my thing. But chances are PLDs can't sustain the self heal. So if I have to keep my eye on your health bar like a hawk anyway, I should decide when you're getting heals and how much. I can plan my heal rotation based on how quickly your HP depletes, it's impossible to predict when each PLD decides to heal themselves. Wasting heals suck. Wasting GCDs standing there because I'm not sure whether you'll heal yourself back up the next second or drop dead also sucks.

I played with many healers who left my hp to 20%, I should not use clemacy then too ?

[ashwich]

I played with many healers who left my hp to 20%, I should not use clemacy then too ?

Honestly, fine, probably. If they end up letting you die, different story.

[Hezzlocks]

It saddens me that things like Benediction is designated as a "dps" tool to be abused to allow more time dpsing, when it's clear that the original intent of the spell is an "oh crap" button when things go sideways and someone is about to die.

Some of these healers need to think about the tanks perspective. We see our health drop to 10% or less, see the healer casting another Glare, what are we supposed to do? Just keep spinning and hope the healer is fast enough with that Benediction? Lord no. If the tank dies there's a good chance the tank will be blamed instead of the healer who wouldn't heal. And oddly enough if the tank decides not to heal and then dies, the tank does kind of deserve some of that blame because it could hsve been avoided if you had used Clemency, yet if you use Clemency to survive then the healer can claim they had you and you wasted time healing... basically damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I usually don't find that I have to but I will use Clemency if I end up below 20% and the healer is still DPSing. I've killed enough bossed where the healer died early to be confident in my MP usage.

[Taika]

It saddens me that things like Benediction is designated as a "dps" tool to be abused to allow more time dpsing, when it's clear that the original intent of the spell is an "oh crap" button when things go sideways and someone is about to die.

Some of these healers need to think about the tanks perspective. We see our health drop to 10% or less, see the healer casting another Glare, what are we supposed to do? Just keep spinning and hope the healer is fast enough with that Benediction?

Healers in this game, now more than ever, have incredibly strong OCD healing abilities. When they're able to bring the tank from almost 0 HP to full (or at least safe) in one OCD (or other instant heal), the optimal and logical way to play is to let the tank drop there while using your globals on DPS casts and then hit that OCD button when it's needed. It is a vital part of healer gameplay to gauge the amount of incoming damage and plan your healing accordingly in a way that you're able to push DPS as much as possible. It's a healer's job and they should be trusted with it, since it can be very frustrating if the tank starts messing up the process with their own 'emergency' heals (real emergencies are of course a different matter, but those rarely happen in dungeons). It's like the tank's job is to plan the pulls according to their and the group's capability, and if someone starts to pull for them and mess up their plan, they get annoyed. Trust your healer, it's their job to plan and handle the healing. The worst thing that may happen is that you die and there might be a wipe, but that rarely happens (at least when I'm tanking or healing).

Also, Benediction has a 3 minute cooldown, it's the strongest healing ability in the whole game, and you're able to use it several times on a dungeon run. Deciding not to use it because there might be an 'emergency' (how often do those even happen in dungeons?) would be just silly. It would be like a Paladin who doesn't use Hallowed on the biggest pulls because 'they might need it later' (if not on the biggest pulls, when?!), ridiculous.

I think it would do good for some of the tanks here to also try healing dungeons a bit, might offer a new perspective that could also improve their tanking.

[Deceptus]

It saddens me that things like Benediction is designated as a "dps" tool to be abused to allow more time dpsing, when it's clear that the original intent of the spell is an "oh crap" button when things go sideways and someone is about to die.

The reason no decent WHM uses Benediction as an "Oh Crap" button is because it's a terrible Oh Crap button.

Due to the long animation and the lag of the spell going off, more often than not your tank is going to be on the floor.

It's much better if you just plan to use it as a regular spell you have and pop it when the tank gets to about 20% or so.

[Sabora_Makingai]

Also to the healers in the 77 dungeon who yell at me for using clemency. Some of you realize your die in that fight cause you dont even heal yourself let alone me. So me be the generous PLD I am, will take on your role for you. I'll sacrifice my entire req window to insta cast clemency on all party members to keep them alive (and myself) for the entire fight.

Also for healers in savage content (or any content for that matter), if I'm casting clemency its usually to take a burden off you. losing one 250 potency attack for a clemency is better than me being auto'd to death and then the boss kills all of you. Additionally you know that healers heal about the same at 80 as they did at 70 right?

I'll take my 72K crit clemency over three 20K crit lustrates (enjoy your energy drain you green dps you)

in closing: healing isnt hard...you just have to...you know...push the heal buttons.