Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Mikhaill]

I doubt this will end the argument but SE is already well aware that female Hrothgar and male Viera are in demand. And Yoshi-P has even gone on record saying that it isn't they don't want to add them but it's down to development time and costs. They wanted to appease both sides, one that wanted Viera and the other that wanted more beastlike races. This was the best course of action they could come up with and if one recalls both races weren't "finished" until after Shadowbringers started. That said if they eventually have the time and money they will look into it so don't take it as them deciding to never finish it. But there are no promises made that it will happen. Just have patience.

I mentioned this before but my post got deleted for some reason.
He said it was in the backburner. So no where in the near future.
What a tough pull though, because he released an unfinished race, not because of the genders, but
the fact you can barely wear any headgear is really sad. Like really sad.
Even some AF stuff I was told as well. Like damn, throw us a bone here lol.
Hopefully they're going to add some stuff in 5.1 for them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You seem to ignore my previous post. My argument is that aesthetics are a core focus, as a part of the game as a whole. Aesthetics are actual content. You are trying to play this off as you being objective, but it isn't. You are just as opinionated as me, except you don't realize "aesthetics" play a gigantic part in the mmorpg genre specifically. Otherwise we would be playing generic games where you would be a default human. See dead indie games, that are lauded for having great gameplay. The most popular have a unique aesthetic, and good gameplay.

If you want to bring up the 'lack of endgame' thread people are arguing the same argument you are here except instead of races "endgame content will take away from other content".

They are not grinding because they think it is fun, they are grinding because they want the aesthetic. Look up the definition. I also don't know if you are a native English speaker, but the way this is worded is you admitting aesthetics are content.

Repeating what I said. Cute.
And thats not my argument at all, once again ignoring that I said Aesthetics are fine, just shouldn't be the Core Focus. Thats been my point, and its getting tossed aside like I never said it.
Content that leads to Aesthetics is fine. Guess Ill say that again as well since you want to ignore me the 1st time. And now you want to question if Im a Native English speaker. Just lol

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I doubt this will end the argument but SE is already well aware that female Hrothgar and male Viera are in demand. And Yoshi-P has even gone on record saying that it isn't they don't want to add them but it's down to development time and costs. They wanted to appease both sides, one that wanted Viera and the other that wanted more beastlike races. This was the best course of action they could come up with and if one recalls both races weren't "finished" until after Shadowbringers started. That said if they eventually have the time and money they will look into it so don't take it as them deciding to never finish it. But there are no promises made that it will happen. Just have patience.

This gets talked about alot, and often sparks other arguments, like SE is a liar they could just do it right now if they wanted to. Wont be that hard, just hire more staff, etc and other Inflammatory posts

[Nynuwe]

No one said that SE should focus solely on "just Aesthetics". It's a waste of time to try to argue against something no one said. Strawman arguments beget strawman arguments, which beget more strawman arguments from all sides. It will only give you headaches.

[Theodric]

It's a waste of time to try to argue against something no one said. Strawman arguments beget strawman arguments, which beget more strawman arguments from all sides. It will only give you headaches.

A very apt summary of a significant portion of this thread.

[Alleo]

Yes. That's quite literally being selfish. If you can't understand that then I suppose ignorance is bliss.

You could kinda turn it around too: The races right now function just fine, adding more hairstyles (or manes) is an extra on top of that because the race can be played without it. Wanting that over the introducing of the missing genders is selfish in that way too. Its all a matter of perspective.

Also there is nothing wrong in being selfish. Those that want more Ultimates or savages fights are also selfish, those that want more Eureka because they like it are selfish. As soon as you want something over something else its selfish but thats what requests are. So those wanting the missing genders before the other ones getting more hair are completely in their rights to want that too. They are not horrible people for that.

With the money they are making and the amount of people that are playing, both should be possible at the same time...if SE would fund their project better. So instead of fighting against each other verbally maybe we should hope that this game gets the budget it deserves.

[Gwenorai]

You could kinda turn it around too: The races right now function just fine, adding more hairstyles (or manes) is an extra on top of that because the race can be played without it. Wanting that over the introducing of the missing genders is selfish in that way too. Its all a matter of perspective.

Also there is nothing wrong in being selfish. Those that want more Ultimates or savages fights are also selfish, those that want more Eureka because they like it are selfish. As soon as you want something over something else its selfish but thats what requests are. So those wanting the missing genders before the other ones getting more hair are completely in their rights to want that too. They are not horrible people for that.

With the money they are making and the amount of people that are playing, both should be possible at the same time...if SE would fund their project better. So instead of fighting against each other verbally maybe we should hope that this game gets the budget it deserves.

This is what gets me however because Yoshida said it wasn't a matter of money or manpower - he might be covering the issue where he's not getting the proper funds allocated to the FF14? This seems strange since he's one of the highest members of the square enix, I believe he's on the board?

He said it's a quality issue, etc. To me, this is more that he wants to oversee everything himself and that he simply can't be there to do it all. But then this brings forward the whole issue of the genders being missing to the point that Matsuno - the creator of Viera - was more than happy to step forward and talk about his views on the males; why can't he be brought on temporarily to oversee some of this, just as he did with the previous 24man. This tells me it's in discussion or was at some point, this is backed by Yoshida already knowing how the males would even look like. Some development happened, at least enough for concepts to be thrown out. I am extremely confident that the original concepts were done with Matsuno as they still seem to match what both men said in description to the males.

So what's the issue? It can't be funding. If anything this game is majorly funded - especially in the advertisement department. Spiderman cameo in their adverts, an advert at the Superbowl. Someone even showed pictures of this being in Time square! The number of subs has skyrocketed, the number of Viera has put them as one of the most popular races. While Hrothgar is also doing pretty well - going toe to toe with some of the least popular male races such as Elezen - though, that was to be expected since the Roe population was completely absorbed by Hrothgar, that's a lot of Fantasia cash. Anyway, I'm getting off track. The cash they're bringing in is one big chunk of moolah - and if they wish to continue bringing in those numbers then some things need to be ironed out.

The more popular this game becomes the more likely it is to attract people who are going to eye the situation and throw a bigger stink about it than what we are. I'm talking about the 'reeee, that's sexist' crowd in news media outlets. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, I really do.

[zeylos]

Snip.

If ffXIV ever becomes main-stream, which for various reason I higly doubt, they must ungenderlock the races if they dont wanna face 50 new articles per day talking about how digustingly sexist 'they are' (imo, they arent at all, but thats basically what all news reportes would put on statements. I dont think that this decisions neither the devs are sexist by any means, wanna make that clear), but if it does somehow become mainstream theyll have obviously more than enough resources to do so. I dont think that this game has skyrocketed to reach the point of other games, and I doubt it will ever get close to being something like Fortnite, League Of Legends, World Of Warcraft in a good expansion, Call Of Duty, mostly because this game is heavily story focused and extremely linear, and that appeals to a much much shorter range of ppl than the other games stated (mostly, its either ppl that dont have any other MMO, another online anime game, or are huge FF fans from what I've seen), plus with other big MMOs on the horizon, I doubt that this game will keep its current state forever (I'd give it 3-4 more expacs, 2 of them with a playerbase as healthy as the current one). If, and thats a very big if, the game becomes mainstream, Id say expect to see bunch of playable races added to catter tot the audiences they would then have. Shadowbringers I believe has sold quite well (Ive been told like, not too much more btu still a bit more) and female viera are rather popular (not as fem miqo or au ra, but quite popular nontheless). Male hrotgar are one of the least popular races ut considering the combination of their body type, the fact that theyre beast like and the fact that it only appeals to a very specific niche combined with the fact that theyre poorly finished, theyre doing quite well all things considered. This makes me think SE has alreayd probably (by no means confirmed, just speculation) begun work on the missing genders since now they can guarantee that it isnt just a vocal minority due to the fact that the demand is still going extremely strong, and also that the missing genders will, worst case scenario, sell decently, considering the sells of the genders added on 5.0. Overall, all of this makes me think that its quite likely we will get them on 6.0, but not really that likely before that.


Its gonna be a looong 2 years. SE, wanna know a way to make the wait easier? Announce missing genders coming in the future

[Mylionare]

I think a large amount of people that speak about the amount of money this game makes are severely underestimating how much companies spend on marketing. I don't think it would be wrong to assume, especially with the recent push in advertising this game has gotten, that a good chunk of the budget doesn't just go into other games or even this game but into the marketing for the game. Whether this be ads, commercials, collaborative deals, live events, etc etc.

Yes the game is monetarily successful, but it most likely goes into promoting the game which I think makes logical sense. I know a lot of people say things like "Small indie dev team" as a sort of jab at the development team when costs are brought up, but again, marketing is very very costly and could take a good chunk of whatever budget they're given for said expansion.

[Lauront]

Who even gets their opinions on whether to play a game or not based on has-been journos obsessed with identity politics? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think the bigger issue is conveying the sense that SE is willing to rush out the races before they're fully ready for release.