Does the community ever have a constructive conversation about RMT?

[Kaedan]

RMT is legal and will continue to be legal until PF advertising is prohibited in some manner. There are no two ways about it.

Well yes, of course it's legal. There's nothing criminal about selling in-game pixels for real money.

But it IS against SE's ToS, and if you are caught buying or selling gil for real money, you risk having your account permanently banned. SE doesn't have to have chat evidence. They can look at gil transfer logs, and if they see a large sum of gil being transferred from a known gil seller, they ban those accounts very often.

[Nedkel]

That's like you saying murder is legal so long as you don't get caught. Try again.

Its more like a police officer doesnt give a duck about it, than trying not to get caught. xD

[Vnolan]

Square never accepts out of game evidence as that can easily be faked.

If someone posts a link to a twitch channel that has RMT on the page, nothing can be faked.

Well yes, of course it's legal. There's nothing criminal about selling in-game pixels for real money.

"Legal" being used here to refer to being allowed by SE. It's against the ToS, but so is parsing and account piloting, yet those are allowed to an extent.

if you are caught buying or selling gil for real money, you risk having your account permanently banned.

Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.

They can look at gil transfer logs, and if they see a large sum of gil being transferred from a known gil seller, they ban those accounts very often.

It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

[HakaseNyan]

Constructive, huh? This thread became 100% transparent when OP proposed a higher tax on the 'rich'. I can venture a guess he or she wants something but can't afford it, or doesn't want it enough to spend that kind of gil, and would like to propose 'changes' that would be in his or her favor. Players who only finish the MSQ and play 'casually' (read: run roulettes daily) should not be making bank; that's so low effort it doesn't make sense.

The game is up.

[Dyvid]

Maybe we should increase the taxes on the richer players so eliminate some of this excess gil in the system. Seriously so it would then put them in line with your average player and bring prices down across the board and make more of the game accessible to the player base in a reasonable time.

Calm down Bernie. RMT is popular because the game offers free trails, people are lazy and they want everything now now now. People who have 500m are the ones who took the time to build up all their crafts and gathering jobs. People who use RMT aren't sitting on mounds of gil because they only buy enough to purchase what they want like the bed mounts. Are players dropping $200 on SE crysta currency just so they can buy a $30 mount? Of course not. The truth is RMT is popular because players are getting away with it.

[WaterShield]

If someone posts a link to a twitch channel that has RMT on the page, nothing can be faked.


"Legal" being used here to refer to being allowed by SE. It's against the ToS, but so is parsing and account piloting, yet those are allowed to an extent.


Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.


It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square. You disagreeing with the system in place to judge this, does not permit you to break its rules.

If they say it's against terms of service...then it is. Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

Try again.

[Mwynn]

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square. You disagreeing with the system in place to judge this, does not permit you to break its rules.

If they say it's against terms of service...then it is. Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

Try again.

May be against the Service tho, Parsers still dont get banned if they execute their Programs and this is known.
So is buying Gil, you wont get banned as a Buyer, and this has always been the case since 2013.

No matter if there is a ToS, some People avoid it or the Company closes their eyes and give a silent "Okay, do it but dont talk about it" statement.

I'd suggest you get into the more... wild Discord Channels to learn more about this matter, not hard to find them out, google is a good source these Days =P

[Nix]

How long did it take for you to level all your crafters and how much money across all 7 did it cost in total, if that exceeds what a average player can make in the entire story line and
60 days of casual saving, that is the exact problem I am talking about. It cost time to level all the crafters to get to the point of "I dont spend gil on anything" at 2 hours a night 4 days a week that's literally like a year minimum.

It didn't take me long - there have been those that have done it much faster than I.
To put it into perspective, my main, which I hardly play these days I have had since 1.0 - has all crafts/DoL capped, but that hasn't taken much work to be honest. There were plenty of people at the start of Heavensward etc, that overtook me in terms of levels and they had started at 2.0. I don't play much.
On my alt which I play more frequently, it took me around 6~8 months of playing maybe an hour or so a day, no more than 7hrs/week to get one battle class to cap, and then all my crafts up. I didn't rely on any help from my main (no gil, no synths etc). This isn't unreasonable by any means.

The cost to level them was zero - I gathered my own materials and levelled each crafter 5 levels at a time, working all crafts simultaneously. This allowed me to minimize the amount of gearsets needed, and also allowed me to make my own materials for certain synths (ex. making own ingots for use in CRP synths).

Also; you don't HAVE to have all your crafters levelled to get anywhere. Stop nitpicking replies to try to fit your narrative. You can level ridiculously quickly if you do leves/grand company turnins/collectables. It doesn't take anywhere near a year to cap all crafts.

God forbid anything takes a little work in this game.

[Vnolan]

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square.

So RMT bots are free to link their sites in the PF?

Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

"some" lol

[KageTokage]

I find it baffling that people are so rarely punished for buying gil when it's generally conducted via having the seller flooding your mailbox with several letters containing a million gil each.

Even if the seller is deleting their account after the transaction takes place, I'd think there'd still be traceable evidence.