Does the community ever have a constructive conversation about RMT?

[RareItems]

RMT is done thru discord now. They sell Savage Raid/Ex Clear for paypal transfers. Open up the Party finder and you will find it on the top page lol.

[Vnolan]

They should just legalize RMT officially. Most know it's already allowed as long as you don't admit to it in chat. Making it legal would drop prices and it would allow buyers to pay real money to content sellers instead of having to buy large sums of gil from the bot companies. There would be incentive to use bots to generate gil to sell for money, but this is already done with no consequences, so SE must not have any problems with it.

Botting aside, why does it matter if two people agree to exchange money for gil or services?

[Vnolan]

"Most know it's already allowed as long as you don't admit to it in chat."

That's like you saying murder is legal so long as you don't get caught. Try again.

No, players have already been caught doing it but they haven't said they're doing it using in-game logs. Not even talking about content sellers and discord, but twitch streamers linking their stream which includes RMT. At this point I'm wondering why we haven't seen gil-selling bots advertise in the PF since it should be allowed if the others are.

1. There is no rule against transferring large sums of gil
2. SE cannot monitor outside communications

RMT is legal and will continue to be legal until PF advertising is prohibited in some manner. There are no two ways about it.

[Vnolan]

Square never accepts out of game evidence as that can easily be faked.

If someone posts a link to a twitch channel that has RMT on the page, nothing can be faked.

Well yes, of course it's legal. There's nothing criminal about selling in-game pixels for real money.

"Legal" being used here to refer to being allowed by SE. It's against the ToS, but so is parsing and account piloting, yet those are allowed to an extent.

if you are caught buying or selling gil for real money, you risk having your account permanently banned.

Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.

They can look at gil transfer logs, and if they see a large sum of gil being transferred from a known gil seller, they ban those accounts very often.

It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

[Kaedan]

RMT is legal and will continue to be legal until PF advertising is prohibited in some manner. There are no two ways about it.

Well yes, of course it's legal. There's nothing criminal about selling in-game pixels for real money.

But it IS against SE's ToS, and if you are caught buying or selling gil for real money, you risk having your account permanently banned. SE doesn't have to have chat evidence. They can look at gil transfer logs, and if they see a large sum of gil being transferred from a known gil seller, they ban those accounts very often.

[Nedkel]

That's like you saying murder is legal so long as you don't get caught. Try again.

Its more like a police officer doesnt give a duck about it, than trying not to get caught. xD

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Overpriced items on the marketboard have nothing to do with RMT. But RMT has everything to do with with people's impatience and greed and sense of entitlement as evidenced in what you see in posts above.

You could drop the prices of everything on that marketboard and the demand for RMT will still be there simply because of people's impatience and need for instant gratification.

There is no real way to combat this effectively except do the one thing that many western gamers balk against - and that's if the dev becomes the distributer of RMT.

It's sucks, but that's the naked truth. The only way to be rid of these 3rd party RMT's is if the dev themselves sell the services themselves thus severely cutting into any potential profits anybody else could have.

[HakaseNyan]

Constructive, huh? This thread became 100% transparent when OP proposed a higher tax on the 'rich'. I can venture a guess he or she wants something but can't afford it, or doesn't want it enough to spend that kind of gil, and would like to propose 'changes' that would be in his or her favor. Players who only finish the MSQ and play 'casually' (read: run roulettes daily) should not be making bank; that's so low effort it doesn't make sense.

The game is up.