Does the community ever have a constructive conversation about RMT?

[Vnolan]

Square never accepts out of game evidence as that can easily be faked.

If someone posts a link to a twitch channel that has RMT on the page, nothing can be faked.

Well yes, of course it's legal. There's nothing criminal about selling in-game pixels for real money.

"Legal" being used here to refer to being allowed by SE. It's against the ToS, but so is parsing and account piloting, yet those are allowed to an extent.

if you are caught buying or selling gil for real money, you risk having your account permanently banned.

Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.

They can look at gil transfer logs, and if they see a large sum of gil being transferred from a known gil seller, they ban those accounts very often.

It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

[WaterShield]

If someone posts a link to a twitch channel that has RMT on the page, nothing can be faked.


"Legal" being used here to refer to being allowed by SE. It's against the ToS, but so is parsing and account piloting, yet those are allowed to an extent.


Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.


It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square. You disagreeing with the system in place to judge this, does not permit you to break its rules.

If they say it's against terms of service...then it is. Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

Try again.

[Mwynn]

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square. You disagreeing with the system in place to judge this, does not permit you to break its rules.

If they say it's against terms of service...then it is. Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

Try again.

May be against the Service tho, Parsers still dont get banned if they execute their Programs and this is known.
So is buying Gil, you wont get banned as a Buyer, and this has always been the case since 2013.

No matter if there is a ToS, some People avoid it or the Company closes their eyes and give a silent "Okay, do it but dont talk about it" statement.

I'd suggest you get into the more... wild Discord Channels to learn more about this matter, not hard to find them out, google is a good source these Days =P

[Kaedan]

May be against the Service tho, Parsers still dont get banned if they execute their Programs and this is known.
So is buying Gil, you wont get banned as a Buyer, and this has always been the case since 2013.

Completely apples and onions.

They have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with parsers. They are against the ToS, along with any other 3rd party program that interacts with FF14. However, as long as you don't use parsers in a way that negatively impacts other players (i.e. posting low dps to shame people, etc), then they look the other way.

RMT, however, by definition affects other players. So by default, RMT is not allowed in any circumstance and any instance of it they can confirm will be punished.

[Vnolan]

It's inadmissible evidence though per Square.

So RMT bots are free to link their sites in the PF?

Just because some people get away with it doesn't mean that they permit the action.

"some" lol

[Kaedan]

Permanently only if you have several penalties on your account already. You'd have to do something like intentionally bring down the servers to get permabanned for a first-time offense. SE bans players only as an absolute last resort. For RMT, you'd have to get caught something like three or four different times to get a perma.

Not true in the slightest. People can and have been permabanned for their first offense if it was RMT.

It's not just the RMT bots that sell gil.

And? I never said they were.