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    If you don't raid: Tenacity + Skillspeed/Crit/Det

    If you raid: Direct Hit + Crit/Det/Skillspeed

    Tenacity is great since it offers 1% dmg increase and 1% dmg mitigation every 200 Tenacity so its perfect for casual stuff or normal raids.

    Direct Hit is great since it offers a 25% dmg increase if it procs which the proc rate goes higher if your Direct Hit rate is high, really useful for "Endgame Content where DPS checks needs to be met".

    Will Tenacity work for Endgame raiding? Probably not unless your team can reach the dps checks with you wearing Tenacity melds.

    Will Direct hit work on Casual content? Yes, but it going to be harder to stay alive especially when you don't know what kind of healer your going to get. This mostly applies to Expert Roullete and Normal Raids/Alliance raids since materia effects don't matter below lvl 80.

    Tenacity Grade 8 Materia sells for 19-25k each.

    Direct hit Grade 8 Materia sells for 60-100k each.
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    Last edited by RareItems; 08-02-2019 at 08:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    If you don't raid: Tenacity + Skillspeed/Crit/Det

    If you raid: Direct Hit + Crit/Det/Skillspeed
    See, you didn't reply to my comment and you just repeated yourself, but you're still statistically wrong. Here's Rei's link from one page ago just in case you missed it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tat_intervals/

    Don't meld Tenacity, kids. The difference between the tenacity already on your gear and what you'll get isn't worth it.

    EDIT TO SOUND MORE CREDIBLE BECAUSE OP DID SO I CAN TO: "Tenacity = 33 per 0.1% DPS, HPS, and Damage Reduction" - taken right from the post above.

    200 Tenacity is not 1% increase, 200 Tenacity is, in fact, more like... .5? So half that?
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    Last edited by SargentToughie; 08-02-2019 at 08:11 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    See, you didn't reply to my comment and you just repeated yourself, but you're still statistically wrong. Here's Rei's link from one page ago just in case you missed it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tat_intervals/

    Don't meld Tenacity, kids. The difference between the tenacity already on your gear and what you'll get isn't worth it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOVb-x6xr4

    Sorry some guy already proved you wrong way back in 2017 lol when Tenacity was first released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOVb-x6xr4

    Sorry some guy already proved you wrong way back in 2017 lol when Tenacity was first released.
    Those are Stormblood values, we're not in Stormblood anymore.

    Substats get adjusted with every new expansion. Sorry if that's news to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    Those are Stormblood values, we're not in Stormblood anymore.

    Substats get adjusted with every new expansion. Sorry if that's news to you.
    Say's who? The imaginary Reddit Fairy? lol.

    Your talking like Direct hit is mandatory like we have to meet DPS checks on "The Twinning".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Say's who? The imaginary Reddit Fairy? lol.

    Your talking like Direct hit is mandatory like we have to meet DPS checks on "The Twinning".
    Says these guys : http://theoryjerks.akhmorning.com/stats/ten/

    These guys have all the maths for the stats on the site you can view, also what makes your 2 year old source more valid than them lol.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    Says these guys : http://theoryjerks.akhmorning.com/stats/ten/

    These guys have all the maths for the stats on the site you can view, also what makes your 2 year old source more valid than them lol.
    Sounds like a bunch of Direct Hit Fanboys made lol. Can't believe so many ppl believe that. No wonder Direct Hit Materia prices are off the roof xD. Too many suckers buying it because of theorycrafts like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Say's who? The imaginary Reddit Fairy? lol.
    Says literally the people doing the math, check the thread. Besides, like Rei said, how is your 2 year old youtube video with 41k views using last expansion's substat values a more valid source than an entire community of theorycrafters and number crunchers?

    Your talking like Direct hit is mandatory like we have to meet DPS checks on "The Twinning".
    I'm really, really not. Meld whatever you want, I won't care because you're never going to tank for me. But stop spreading this absurd false narrative that Tenacity is somehow more valuable for EXR and that Dhit/Crit is only good for Savage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    Says literally the people doing the math, check the thread. Besides, like Rei said, how is your 2 year old youtube video with 41k views using last expansion's substat values a more valid source than an entire community of theorycrafters and number crunchers?



    I'm really, really not. Meld whatever you want, I won't care because you're never going to tank for me. But stop spreading this absurd false narrative that Tenacity is somehow more valuable for EXR and that Dhit/Crit is only good for Savage.
    Again in Plain English:

    If you don't raid: Tenacity + Skillspeed/Crit/Det

    If you raid: Direct Hit + Crit/Det/Skillspeed

    Tenacity is great since it offers 1% dmg increase and 1% dmg mitigation every 200 Tenacity so its perfect for casual stuff or normal raids.

    Direct Hit is great since it offers a 25% dmg increase if it procs which the proc rate goes higher if your Direct Hit rate is high, really useful for "Endgame Content where DPS checks needs to be met".

    Will Tenacity work for Endgame raiding? Probably not unless your team can reach the dps checks with you wearing Tenacity melds.

    Will Direct hit work on Casual content? Yes, but it going to be harder to stay alive especially when you don't know what kind of healer your going to get. This mostly applies to Expert Roullete and Normal Raids/Alliance raids since materia effects don't matter below lvl 80.

    Tenacity Grade 8 Materia sells for 19-25k each.

    Direct hit Grade 8 Materia sells for 60-100k each.


    Direct Hit and Tenacity are equal stats. It's worthless to a tank who doesn't raid and a waste of gil. Yes i'm not going to tank for you since you only do Expert Roulletes with your FC/Static who doesn't mind healing you while you fill your Parser ego.

    That's how you can tell someone is parsing, when they're a tank and is loaded with Direct Hit lol.
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    Last edited by RareItems; 08-02-2019 at 08:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOVb-x6xr4

    Sorry some guy already proved you wrong way back in 2017 lol when Tenacity was first released.
    This is old stat weights from last expansion, you realise these change as you level up right? 200 last expac does not = 200 this expac, also his numbers arn't sourced, which the theory jerks ones are, and you can check the maths yourself if you diagree.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"