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  1. #171
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    YojimboM's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I am not advocating for making maximum tenacity and take the maximum possible tenacity from equipment, because for most of the players they will not have a choice, since ilvl is the first most important thing to focus on as a tank.
    I am just comparing melds because here is where the choice we really have, tenacity with mix of D hit where you cant put more tenacity against pure D hit melds.

    Right now the difference sit at exact 1.7% on damage and 4.3% mitigation, with few d-hit melds its basically about 1.6% and 4.0%.
    My advice, melds whatever you want, it will still give you something useful, tenacity is not useless otherwise it would be buffed.
    You still aren't reading the website I linked correctly. The difference is far higher than that. And DH is not the only thing you'd meld in the place of tenacity, crit is a higher gain than DH in most cases so you'd optimize to a breakpoint for that first and then fill in DH. You're literally cherrypicking random numbers to try to make some kind of comparison that favors tenacity when, in fact, tenacity is never favored. Tenacity is not going to save you unless you go to extreme amounts of it (which would be it's only purpose, "less healer pressure" is a mathematical red herring), and in content that ~85%+ of the playerbase runs (DF content, 24-man raids, 8-man normal raids, etc), tenacity would be entirely useless for any of them in comparison to proper crit/DH melds.
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    Last edited by YojimboM; 08-06-2019 at 09:46 AM.

  2. #172
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    Elise Hamilton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    I'm sorry but ... I think you're the only one thinking like that? 19/20 times when people talk about meld/optimization/BiS it IS about end game content. If I wasn't reserve that 1/20 slot for your specifically I would have said 20/20 tbh. You had stated you don't do end game content, and you also said your "experiment" only came from expert roulette, and also more than one person already politely pointed out the context here is within the end game.

    tbh, speaking as a healer, for dungeon run as long as you are not undergeared, like 2+ level behind the dungeon (story/lvling) or 2+ patch cycle behind (for expert) I don't think anyone really care about what you meld. Put all +CP or +GP on your dungeon gears and I don't think most people will notice the difference.
    Raids = Direct Hit to meet DPS Checks.

    Casual Content = Tenacity/SKS/Crit/DET.

    Nobody cares what melds you put on your gear on Casual Content. I have 2 sets of ilvl450, one with Tenacity/SKS/Crit and one with just Direct Hit, there is no difference in the clear speed.
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  3. #173
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    YojimboM's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Raids = Direct Hit to meet DPS Checks.

    Casual Content = Tenacity/SKS/Crit/DET.

    Nobody cares what melds you put on your gear on Casual Content. I have 2 sets of ilvl450, one with Tenacity/SKS/Crit and one with just Direct Hit, there is no difference in the clear speed.
    Everything about this post is just screaming that you have no idea what you're talking about. DH isn't some magical "meet DPS check" stat. It's actually a lower damage contributor than regular crit. And one person altering melds in some unoptimal and bizarre way isn't going to have any impact on clear speed at all, no. Having a set of gear with only DH melds would be worse than if you melded crit/DH together to proper breakpoints.
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  4. #174
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Raids = Direct Hit to meet DPS Checks.

    Casual Content = Tenacity/SKS/Crit/DET.

    Nobody cares what melds you put on your gear on Casual Content. I have 2 sets of ilvl450, one with Tenacity/SKS/Crit and one with just Direct Hit, there is no difference in the clear speed.
    First, uhm why would you quote me to basically just repeat what I just said?

    Second, as other had politely pointed out, you shouldn't really talk about Raid content as if you know the in and out of it while the fact of the matter is you don't even set foot in it. Well, I guess you can, but your argument really has no basic even if we don't account that most of the things you said so far are just ... factually wrong. If I have to be specific, your knowledge demonstration on raid stat is very meme and stereotype like, the kind that someone who only know through second hand experience or paper instead of actual first hand application.

    There are actually solid mathematical formula behind each stats: there are linear, exponential, breakpoint that change from class to class and also base on the gears available. That's why it's an actual dynamic combination between stat to get the best mileage. Even eventually when the gears are strong enough that CRIT (not DH) eventually become king, we still have to account for diminishing in return point, and if other stat can give more bang for the buck as well as compensating for #of GCD within burst window. It's far more involved then just a "goto" stat like you seem to believe.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 08-06-2019 at 04:01 PM.

  5. #175
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Literally the first sentence of that post is 'these are not stat weights'.
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  6. #176
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    Lineage Razor
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    As a general rule, once you've geared your tank enough to survive, any further contributions toward survival are a waste. DPS, however, you can never have too much. So, gear enough to stay alive through whatever the boss throws at you (assuming competent healers), and put the rest into DPS.
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    Rin Shima
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    Wiping on Enrages savage raids, learned me to go all the way to DPS stats :3
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