Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[AxlStream]

You know if you have a grey, you still killed. Probably barely by the skin of your teeth but you cleared. The player in question boasts about being better than 99% of PC players while not even having all achievements for even clearing.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

What we've learned in this thread, lie and boast, get slammed. What we know, this is how the world is. Don't like it, stay in your little safe space and quit trying to lie, and bad things don't happen?

Speaking of which, just fired an employee today who was a consistent liar and performed poorly. They came back after the shift to see if I'd give them another chance, and I politely told them best wishes in finding another job.

So as you can see, when you lie it doesn't help, it just keeps growing and growing and making the person look worse and worse until finally they break or others get tired of them.

Nobody in here got slammed. The worst things happening are people with no sense of grammar and spelling attempting to use illicit, incomplete data to come up with playground insults. It's generally PC people from the other thread who are upset that their platform doesn't give them "muh advantage"

[Komarimono]

Nobody in here got slammed. The worst things happening are people with no sense of grammar and spelling attempting to use illicit, incomplete data to come up with playground insults. It's generally PC people from the other thread who are upset that their platform doesn't give them "muh advantage"

Ooo, someone is trying to be passive aggressive when called out on multiple levels for being a liar. I guess words hurt you, not my problem. Keep fueling the flames, eventually your staunch defenders will see you for the troll you are since you just can't shut up.

[snarkomatic]

@Demetri_Delethorn absolutely no interest in getting into the middle of this discussion lol, except I really have to say, I absolutely LOVE your glamour. That outfit is so, so great. c:

[Granyala]

You think i'm making it up? That it'd never happen?
Do you think that, despite watching a group of posters attempt to publicly shame another player using parser data over a forum signature.

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.

If person one boasts, you don't need to publicly humiliate them. You don't need to objectively prove that they are wrong.

I could, for example, point out that you would fail a grade school level test on your grammar and punctuation.
I could, for example, point out all of your misuses of apostrophes, commas, ellipses, and more.

I could, if I wanted to, insinuate that you lack intelligence and education by pointing out these shortcomings. From those insinuations I could make an accusation against you, based on these hard facts and your own stated reliance on parsers, that you lack the skills and awareness to perform well without extra help.

Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

[Komarimono]

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.



Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

Pretty much this. It started when a few of us asked if they could provide proof of their claims, since a well made and even affordably cheap PC will have better performance then a console, hence why I switched to PC from console since the 50 and under FPS of a PS4 Pro felt weird to me. Getting near 200 unsynced and 144 sync was a much smoother experience for me. Which can lead to better player interactions in the game itself.

You can just look in their post history, not that hard to see it there.

[HWalsh]

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.



Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

You missed the point.

My entire post was there to pick your post apart and point out conclusions from one post. Which is what you did on his parse. You took a small isolated sample and made a hypothetical argument that the person lied.

Those could be bad parses.
There could be extenuating circumstances.
He could have only run into really bad players.

I mean, yesterday I was tanking a dungeon and our healer had to keep reminding the DPS to not stand in front of the boss that I was turning AWAY from them for a reason.

The DPS both died, then teleported away rather than wait for a res, and the healer and I had to finish the fight ourselves.

There are VERY bad players out there.

And "Better than 99%" could mean DPS, Healing, or simply avoiding mechanics.

Your biggest complaint seemed to be that he was over healing. Dude, I'd rather be over healed than under healed.

Basically, that parse doesn't tell anyone anything other than the fact that you're the exact reason people don't want parsers. You can and DID use a parser to try to humiliate someone.

You ARE the problem.

[Granyala]

Your biggest complaint seemed to be that he was over healing. Dude, I'd rather be over healed than under healed.

Incorrect.
If I were assessing her as a raid recruit, I would take note of the 53% activity but I also stated that I would need more data to form a conclusion.
I'm a white mage, so I know OH can't easily be controlled in this game, esp if you have a trigger happy co-healer that doesn't let the HoT do it's job. ._.
His OH was below 30% so that is "don't care much" territory, besides, Titania ex hits like a wet noodle anyway.

Raw DPS/HPS while being an indicator is hardly conclusive from a simple random raid.
Him standing around half the fight being inactive is an indicator that he did sth. wrong. or to be precise: that he did too little.

No, what I did was merely check whether he is an awesome player. Someone that truly is better than 99% of the players he encounters would
a) have killed savage bosses
b) have an above average performance even when grouped with randoms. (I know top parses as a healer are out of the question when faced with chaotic random groups)

The person in question had neither.

Could I have merely stated "i do not believe you, back up your claim!"?
Sure.
I'm a mathematical person at heart, so if I can have numeric values in order to form an opinion I will consider at them.

I find it rather hilarious though, that you think I am the problem instead of the guy that thinks he is Gods gift to gaming when real world data shows that it not the case.

[Caitsithhh]

You are welcome to add him and prove us all wrong. And 7th percentile dps and 30% overheals is in fact poor performance. You have about a .01% chance of being correct though. So as I said before, add him and find out for us. I’d be fine with finding out to and uploading for him to see. In fact let’s do something like E3nm 4-5 times, I’ll upload them all so we can see definitively who is right and wrong. If I am then I’ll apologize immediately. Cheers!

[Nedkel]

What we've learned in this thread, lie and boast, get slammed. What we know, this is how the world is. Don't like it, stay in your little safe space and quit trying to lie, and bad things don't happen?

Speaking of which, just fired an employee today who was a consistent liar and performed poorly. They came back after the shift to see if I'd give them another chance, and I politely told them best wishes in finding another job.

So as you can see, when you lie it doesn't help, it just keeps growing and growing and making the person look worse and worse until finally they break or others get tired of them.

Except.
This is a game, where consumers are playing it and not staff.
SE decided to not go a way of turning away players because they cannot play it effectively enough to please hot heads, and they have a really good reason for doing so. Believe it or not, they still care for someone who is saying he is the best in the world, they dont care if someone is trolling, lying or just having some misconceptions about the class he is playing. Business is business and real life rules often does not apply into video games.

Thats why we are not going to get any parser at all, because it objectively worsen the culture in the game and communication between players.
Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.