Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Shawnerz]

I'm going to bow out of this discussion simply because I don't want to direct negativity towards anyone and sorry if I did. All I will say is players who want to know the numbers/push themselves/do the hardest content the game has to offer should at least have the option to parse(for ps4) and those who play more casually/have other limiting factors should not be forced to use it or be harassed about it. Everyone can stay in their own lane and get along(hopefully).

[Nedkel]

I'm so happy that FFXIV doesn't allow parses to be used in game. Was a part of a dungeon run in WoW a few days ago where we were burning through the dungeon, but the tank would list everybody's individual damage after every boss. Then they demanded we kick one of the DPS who was doing little damage (because they were trying to figure something out with one of the skills). I mean, we had zero trouble, we could have just kept going, but because the numbers demanded it the group kicked the DPS otherwise the tank was going to walk.

It's just stupid. There are so many nuances that numbers don't account for.

You were lucky you made it to the boss.
I was a tank, have been kicked for typing and asking for mechanics before first boss. xDD

WoW is super toxic and unpleasant game to play, and community has a big part of a cake in it.

[Granyala]

You were lucky you made it to the boss.
I was a tank, have been kicked for typing and asking for mechanics before first boss. xDD

WoW is super toxic and unpleasant game to play, and community has a big part of a cake in it.

I've seen many a FF-XIV tank drop group the moment they saw s/o type "first time" in a dungeon, which then lead to aborted runs because no replacement showed up.
Morons exist in every game.

Your point?

[Caitsithhh]

Oof. Two bitter sides and the more casual one simply refuses to listen. We aren’t going to harm anyone bettering ourselves through parsing. We have all agreed to keep it out of savage and extremes. Besides the poor soul who thought they were great we haven’t solo’d a single one out with any data. We could at any moment, but haven’t. This is exactly how it works in game. I don’t que a dungeon and then eyeball each toon’s logs. I don’t look at their performance til I’m noticing a weak link in the ability to clear or the length of the fight is dragged out. And again this is strictly in savage and extremes. The people saying no have honestly only brought up the point of wow and boogiemen that supposedly flaunt logs in ffxiv.

Casuals will have the majority of content to be casual in. Whereas the more hardcore players have tools to improve themselves and match skill levels.

We aren’t playing savage and extremes to “care” about our fellow player outside of getting friends their clear. Nor are we there to monitor anyone/s performance to form an opinion ourselves outside of trialing.

Also, LMFAO at the idea of letting a single person try to learn their class and raid with seven more advanced players simply because we are nice and don’t care to progress... Since one person learning is more important than seven others actually having fun and clearing. Delusions are real too I suppose

[AsoraBora]

Yes, to PS4 tracking personal dps as I do feel the stone, sky sea method is not sufficient way to improve. At the moment randomers on pc are parsing fights without users permission so your numbers are up there even if you didn’t want any form of parsing in the game.

[Krojack]

Support, a personal real time parse would be a wonderful addition to the game in terms of self improvement. For all the naysayers concerned about toxicity, it won't change in the slightest.

It will change. Right now if someone calls you out for low dps you ask how they know. When they reply that they run a parser you can then report them for 3rd party software and they will get their account suspended or banned. Because of this people keep quiet. This does not apply to static groups.

If they allow parsers then it will turn into "must have minimum dps >= X else kick".

Not sure if you ever followed the Japanese server raid groups or not. They go by the "follow the mechanics and stay alive and we win".

[AxlStream]

It will change. Right now if someone calls you out for low dps you ask how they know. When they reply that they run a parser you can then report them for 3rd party software and they will get their account suspended or banned. Because of this people keep quiet. This does not apply to static groups.

If they allow parsers then it will turn into "must have minimum dps >= X else kick".

Not sure if you ever followed the Japanese server raid groups or not. They go by the "follow the mechanics and stay alive and we win".

Oh please, the Japanese also have a blacklist where they put all the players who lie about their performance and are holding groups back. It's pretty much common knowledge and I wish all DCs would do this to keep these type of players out of my way.

Also the 2 excuses brought up this time are funny.

"I was top tier in another game" Cool, I was a top tier Formula 1 driver, obviously mean I'm a top tier NASCAR driver and should win alot of races. Oh wait, different means, different rules and different environments. It's doesn't translate 1 to 1.
"I'm top tier but just not interested in Savage" I could beat Floyd Mayweather in a fight but I'm just not interested in fighting ya know.

tl;dr It's not how it works... It's not how any of this works.

[Caitsithhh]

It will change. Right now if someone calls you out for low dps you ask how they know. When they reply that they run a parser you can then report them for 3rd party software and they will get their account suspended or banned. Because of this people keep quiet. This does not apply to static groups.

If they allow parsers then it will turn into "must have minimum dps >= X else kick".

Not sure if you ever followed the Japanese server raid groups or not. They go by the "follow the mechanics and stay alive and we win".

You’re talking about two completely different cultures so it’s not really a good point to bring up. Also I’d argue the console gaming scene there is much larger than the pc crowd we have here. They consume their content differently. From what I’ve heard they don’t have mechanic problems there in their pug scene sooo....

[HWalsh]

Oh please, the Japanese also have a blacklist where they put all the players who lie about their performance and are holding groups back. It's pretty much common knowledge and I wish all DCs would do this to keep these type of players out of my way.

You are aware that your words there make you sound, right?

You can't say, "Keep these type of players out of my way" without sounding like an 80's sports movie villain.

Using a program not supported by, and in fact is against the rules of, the game to "improve" is exactly like using steroids to win a weight lifting competition.

[Misutoraru]

Oof. Two bitter sides and the more casual one simply refuses to listen.

this is the problem here isnt it, how do we guarantee it will be use properly and giving a tool for the toxic crowd.

may be strictly raid finder only, and have a clear explanation and enforcement of how "harassment" define in game

i mean 40 pages, both side just repeating themselves, other than those fight that escalate into some nonsense.

I think ppl who want it to be implement official could come up with some idea how to do it and ease the worry of the other side