Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Qeilos]

I think the Lodestone analysis came after the parse data, not sure since that mess stretched across two threads.

SE surely won't be happy but I doubt they'll do anything. Achievement shaming or exclusion based on kill achievements is nothing new.
Go try to find a PuG in WoW w/o having the "Ahead of the Curve" achievement of the tier in question.

People that want to be exclusive will find a way to do so. If it aren't your parse values it'll be your achievement history. If it isn't your achievement history it'll be your item level. If it isn't your item level it'll be sth else.

Personally I know enough to stay away from PuGs with outlandish requirements because more often than not, the leaders want to compensate their own incompetence that way.

I know I said that mostly in jest. Just was getting that there was plenty of methods even without fflogs to prove that hes full of air which he disregarded one and all and only quoted the ones that said anything about logs. I get my jimmies rustled by people who do selective arguing like that.

[Sylve]

So umm, dumb question (asked context neutral):
If [Person 1] makes outlandish [claim X] and [Person 2] uses hard data to prove that [claim X] is simply not accurate, how on earth are you going to get "positivity" in terms of feels??

To put it as simplistically as possible, Yoshi-P and his team staunchly believe that this community will use parser data in a negative way against other players.
Right here in this thread, a group of players used parser data in a negative way against another player.

And for what? His forum signature?

And what was achieved? Do those posters who went after his parser data believe they have done some form of good for the community in "exposing" a Healer who doesn't dps as much as they believe he should?
Lets follow that little piece of logic to its logical conclusion.
[Person 1] 'reveals' to the data center that [Person 2] had/has poor dps. [DataCenter community] begins to shun [Person 2] because [Person 1] felt that he was doing the [DataCenter community] a favor by 'ousting' a bad player.
[Person 2] is unaware, but improves themselves in course of their regular play. But now finds a [DataCenter community] hostile towards them and actively blacklisting the 'bad' player.

Congratulations [Person 1], you have used parser data to successfully ostracize a fellow player.

You think i'm making it up? That it'd never happen?
Do you think that, despite watching a group of posters attempt to publicly shame another player using parser data over a forum signature.

That's the kind of community that Yoshi-P doesn't trust to have official parsers.

[Granyala]

You think i'm making it up? That it'd never happen?
Do you think that, despite watching a group of posters attempt to publicly shame another player using parser data over a forum signature.

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.

If person one boasts, you don't need to publicly humiliate them. You don't need to objectively prove that they are wrong.

I could, for example, point out that you would fail a grade school level test on your grammar and punctuation.
I could, for example, point out all of your misuses of apostrophes, commas, ellipses, and more.

I could, if I wanted to, insinuate that you lack intelligence and education by pointing out these shortcomings. From those insinuations I could make an accusation against you, based on these hard facts and your own stated reliance on parsers, that you lack the skills and awareness to perform well without extra help.

Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

[Komarimono]

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.



Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

Pretty much this. It started when a few of us asked if they could provide proof of their claims, since a well made and even affordably cheap PC will have better performance then a console, hence why I switched to PC from console since the 50 and under FPS of a PS4 Pro felt weird to me. Getting near 200 unsynced and 144 sync was a much smoother experience for me. Which can lead to better player interactions in the game itself.

You can just look in their post history, not that hard to see it there.

[HWalsh]

As far as I know the signature wasn't the issue. It was the direct statement that he was better than 99% of the PC players he encountered.
People had no interest in his performance before that. They merely looked him up BECAUSE he made that absurd claim.

Parses were just the quickest and easiest way to disprove him, as you can see other people used his Lodestone profile to do the exact same thing.

As for "the data center" being hostile towards weaker players: if that was truly the case, no weak player would ever find a PuG group in WoW because wow has official parsers. That's not the case at all. It typically goes like this (unreasonable groups excluded): you have the gear, you get invited. When you wipe your performance is assessed. If you are found lacking after multiple tries -> you get kicked.

Seems fair to me.



Why not? If I boast w/o having the performance to back it up I have to consider the possibility of being called out on it. Simple cause and effect.

Yup, that's why I am not a native English speaker. My education was enough to study engineering. Not much, I know but it has been fun.

I already openly admitted that in another thread. I cannot remember everything that I did in a 12m bossfight, I don't catch every error in play straight away, which is why I find parsers helpful.

No it doesn't hurt one bit, you know why?

Because I am an adult, know my limits and am not ashamed of them. I don't have to create a bubble pretending I am sth. that I am not in order to invoke "happy feels".

You missed the point.

My entire post was there to pick your post apart and point out conclusions from one post. Which is what you did on his parse. You took a small isolated sample and made a hypothetical argument that the person lied.

Those could be bad parses.
There could be extenuating circumstances.
He could have only run into really bad players.

I mean, yesterday I was tanking a dungeon and our healer had to keep reminding the DPS to not stand in front of the boss that I was turning AWAY from them for a reason.

The DPS both died, then teleported away rather than wait for a res, and the healer and I had to finish the fight ourselves.

There are VERY bad players out there.

And "Better than 99%" could mean DPS, Healing, or simply avoiding mechanics.

Your biggest complaint seemed to be that he was over healing. Dude, I'd rather be over healed than under healed.

Basically, that parse doesn't tell anyone anything other than the fact that you're the exact reason people don't want parsers. You can and DID use a parser to try to humiliate someone.

You ARE the problem.

[HWalsh]

So umm, dumb question (asked context neutral):
If [Person 1] makes outlandish [claim X] and [Person 2] uses hard data to prove that [claim X] is simply not accurate, how on earth are you going to get "positivity" in terms of feels??

How about you act like an adult? Novel concept, I know.

If person one boasts, you don't need to publicly humiliate them. You don't need to objectively prove that they are wrong.

I could, for example, point out that you would fail a grade school level test on your grammar and punctuation.

I could, for example, point out all of your misuses of apostrophes, commas, ellipses, and more.

I could, if I wanted to, insinuate that you lack intelligence and education by pointing out these shortcomings. From those insinuations I could make an accusation against you, based on these hard facts and your own stated reliance on parsers, that you lack the skills and awareness to perform well without extra help.

That would hurt if I did it, wouldn't it?

It would also be factually true, at leased based on the small, but very telling, data we have at hand.

The lesson here?

Simple: The community will be better off if you check your ego at the door.

You could have just said:

"I don't believe your claims regarding your performance. I would recommend that you check your own parsing data to confirm your claim."

You could have left it there.

It makes no sense to humiliate someone over a boast. You stepped over the line kiddo.

[Fynlar]

The Duty Recorder is so limited in what it can record that it might as well not even exist as a feature.

One of the two(!) instances in it right now isn't even at level cap.

[Sylve]

I would if it was usable in more than 2 instances.

The Duty Recorder is so limited in what it can record that it might as well not even exist as a feature.

One of the two(!) instances in it right now isn't even at level cap.

I'll be honest, I haven't engaged with it personally. So I was unaware of its extreme limitation. SE should expand on that, obviously lol.
HOWEVER! Since it was a suggestion directed at PS4 players, who have access to a feature that that does almost the same thing. The ability to immediately save the last 15~ minutes or so of gameplay as a video. This allows a very similar record/playback to what the Recorder offers.

So .. Modified suggestion .. Record your playback via the PS4 functions instead and review your performance that way XD

[Connor]

Not gonna get too much into it but it would be nice if there was a way for PS4 players to see how well they done in an actual fight context without relying on things from outside the game. I know there are lots of times where I can feel like I’m doing well, but the reality is more likely that I’m performing at like the lowest skill level possible lol. But unless someone happens to upload the fight parse I have no real way to measure my performance and how much I actually contributed to the party.

Also I don’t think it’s fair to say that players that don’t do savage have no need of such a metric, just because the content is easy doesn’t mean players won’t want to do as well as they can, and having some kind of feedback from the game on this would help them do that, even if it’s to a small extent. Stone, Sky, Sea is quite limited in what it can tell you, particularly for jobs like Dancer or healer where personal DPS isn’t the only metric to be considered

[Komarimono]

What we've learned in this thread, lie and boast, get slammed. What we know, this is how the world is. Don't like it, stay in your little safe space and quit trying to lie, and bad things don't happen?

Speaking of which, just fired an employee today who was a consistent liar and performed poorly. They came back after the shift to see if I'd give them another chance, and I politely told them best wishes in finding another job.

So as you can see, when you lie it doesn't help, it just keeps growing and growing and making the person look worse and worse until finally they break or others get tired of them.