Please Change Superbolide

[Valic]

No the trade off is stupid and the design of the skill contradicts role design. I love how people here are trying to explain how the skill works like we are morons. We know exactly how it works and how to use it. It doesn’t change the fact that there is ALWAYS high opportunity cost using superbolide. With the other similar tank skills, if you didn’t actually end up needing to use it there is no extra impact on the tank or the healer. This is completely different with superbolide because it forces you to throw away any HP you might have at the time of use. This causes you to think twice before using it and causing compounded issues when you actually didn’t need to use it.

I have no issue if that is how they want to design all of the tank invulns, but you can’t claim superbolide is fine with such a disparity in cost to use versus the other tank skills.

If you know how it works then you shouldn't have any issues then. 4Head. Al of your complaints are how morons use it, not ow the skill itself works. Again, it's not a high oppurtunity cost if you use it at a low hp value that would have you killed anyways. In the end of all of these minus Paladin, you're gonna be healing the tank regardless of them being unable to go beyond 1 hp, being invincible with 1 hp, or living deaded. So your complaints so far are invalid unless you realize it's down to the player, not the skill. The post above me gets it, most of the people in this thread get it, you're just whining about another unnecessary change.

[ForteNightshade]

If you know how it works then you shouldn't have any issues then. 4Head. Al of your complaints are how morons use it, not ow the skill itself works. Again, it's not a high oppurtunity cost if you use it at a low hp value that would have you killed anyways. In the end of all of these minus Paladin, you're gonna be healing the tank regardless of them being unable to go beyond 1 hp, being invincible with 1 hp, or living deaded. So your complaints so far are invalid unless you realize it's down to the player, not the skill. The post above me gets it, most of the people in this thread get it, you're just whining about another unnecessary change.

Would a Gunbreaker using Superbolide at 20% just as Benediction went off, thereby entirely negating a three minute cooldown said Gunbreaker had no idea would be used, classify as "moronic"? Because that's the point they're making. In DF, you have no idea what your healing will do. Saying "well, they can just use more heals because you're invulnerable" misses the entire point. They were using Benediction so they didn't have to spam say Cure II.

[Lodorion]

If you know how it works then you shouldn't have any issues then. 4Head. Al of your complaints are how morons use it, not ow the skill itself works. Again, it's not a high oppurtunity cost if you use it at a low hp value that would have you killed anyways. In the end of all of these minus Paladin, you're gonna be healing the tank regardless of them being unable to go beyond 1 hp, being invincible with 1 hp, or living deaded. So your complaints so far are invalid unless you realize it's down to the player, not the skill. The post above me gets it, most of the people in this thread get it, you're just whining about another unnecessary change.

Come on, stop talking down to people. I'm tanking in FFXIV since 2013 Beta. FYI. And the thing with superbolide is, not how the skill is designed for most, but the way it works. ALSO, You are about to press superbolide, cause you get very near to 1 hp, (Lets just say you got 5 hp) you are triggering it, before it's through, you see the healer has cast benediction (WHM). Good Game. Healer wasted a CD, so did the Gunbreaker, you can't deny that at last, if you are the "amazing no moron" tank you claim to be. Also, the way you insult other players with words (by simply calling anybody who puts up feedback morons)is disgusting and tells more about you than it does about anybody else. I just throw my 5 pennys in. Also what's the "win win" when you trigger superbolide at low hp, but die due to the calculation of it before the invul kicks in? You should maybe tank more, cause tbh I think you haven't tanked that much practically.. Just guessin'. Still Valic, since I'm not the one you attacked personally, I'll leave you to it. All I am saying is, Superbolides Skill Design is TOTALLY GOOD, IF and thats a BIG IF-> The skill would put you in "invulnerability" first, then drop your hp to 1, we talkin' bout miliseconds here, but it will make a big difference.

[Valic]

Come on, stop talking down to people. I'm tanking in FFXIV since 2013 Beta. FYI. And the thing with superbolide is, not how the skill is designed for most, but the way it works. ALSO, You are about to press superbolide, cause you get very near to 1 hp, (Lets just say you got 5 hp) you are triggering it, before it's through, you see the healer has cast benediction (WHM). Good Game. Healer wasted a CD, so did the Gunbreaker, you can't deny that at last, if you are the "amazing no moron" tank you claim to be. Also, the way you insult other players with words (by simply calling anybody who puts up feedback morons)is disgusting and tells more about you than it does about anybody else. I just throw my 5 pennys in. Also what's the "win win" when you trigger superbolide at low hp, but die due to the calculation of it before the invul kicks in? You should maybe tank more, cause tbh I think you haven't tanked that much practically.. Just guessin'. Still Valic, since I'm not the one you attacked personally, I'll leave you to it. All I am saying is, Superbolides Skill Design is TOTALLY GOOD, IF and thats a BIG IF-> The skill would put you in "invulnerability" first, then drop your hp to 1, we talkin' bout miliseconds here, but it will make a big difference.

You're misreading my post horrifyingly and everyone else is responding to your posts so, yeah, we're done here lol. I don't suffer whiners that complain about something that doesn't need changing is all when the majority of the time it's down to players not communicating better in some fashion.

[nalol]

You're misreading my post horrifyingly and everyone else is responding to your posts so, yeah, we're done here lol. I don't suffer whiners that complain about something that doesn't need changing is all when the majority of the time it's down to players not communicating better in some fashion.

Do u really expect players to communicate in a PuG ?

[Valic]

Do u really expect players to communicate in a PuG ?

I mean, I communicate so I don't see reason. It just takes one person, I do it either DF or PUG.

[Xia_Thas]

I mean, I communicate so I don't see reason. It just takes one person, I do it either DF or PUG.

Heck most people give a courtesy o/ or greeting so automatically you know those people can at least communicate.

[Lodorion]

You're misreading my post horrifyingly and everyone else is responding to your posts so, yeah, we're done here lol. I don't suffer whiners that complain about something that doesn't need changing is all when the majority of the time it's down to players not communicating better in some fashion.

Just because you don't pull the stacks required to witness the Calculation Window with Superbolide, doesn't mean it' isn't there. I can only repeat myself before puttin' this matter to rest: The problem is not the 1 hp thing, but the fact that there is a small window which you suffer fatal damage before invul kicks in. Done. That's basically it. You'll get what people mean by that when you gather experience as tank good sir, I wish you all the best <3

[Wistfulwaffle]

Come on, stop talking down to people. I'm tanking in FFXIV since 2013 Beta. FYI. And the thing with superbolide is, not how the skill is designed for most, but the way it works. ALSO, You are about to press superbolide, cause you get very near to 1 hp, (Lets just say you got 5 hp) you are triggering it, before it's through, you see the healer has cast benediction (WHM). Good Game. Healer wasted a CD, so did the Gunbreaker, you can't deny that at last, if you are the "amazing no moron" tank you claim to be. Also, the way you insult other players with words (by simply calling anybody who puts up feedback morons)is disgusting and tells more about you than it does about anybody else. I just throw my 5 pennys in. Also what's the "win win" when you trigger superbolide at low hp, but die due to the calculation of it before the invul kicks in? You should maybe tank more, cause tbh I think you haven't tanked that much practically.. Just guessin'. Still Valic, since I'm not the one you attacked personally, I'll leave you to it. All I am saying is, Superbolides Skill Design is TOTALLY GOOD, IF and thats a BIG IF-> The skill would put you in "invulnerability" first, then drop your hp to 1, we talkin' bout miliseconds here, but it will make a big difference.

I like how you rag on him for insulting players and then question his tanking skills. Anyway, we can sit here discussing hypotheticals all day but it doesn't make the skill bad.

"what's the "win win" when you trigger superbolide at low hp, but die due to the calculation of it before the invul kicks in? "
You realize this is a latency problem and not a skill problem, right? since you have most of your tanks leveled up you should be aware of this. it can happen with any invuln. Take your five pennies back.

[Valic]

I like how you rag on him for insulting players and then question his tanking skills. Anyway, we can sit here discussing hypotheticals all day but it doesn't make the skill bad.

"what's the "win win" when you trigger superbolide at low hp, but die due to the calculation of it before the invul kicks in? "
You realize this is a latency problem and not a skill problem, right? since you have most of your tanks leveled up you should be aware of this. it can happen with any invuln. Take your five pennies back.

Part of why I give up here, people are jumping the gun in assumptions at this point lol. Only talking down I did was to the person that keeps repeating "THIS SKILL IS BAD AND THAT'S ALL" rather than figuring out a coherent solution. So far in this thread it has still come down to the player being the issue and not the skill itself. Latency implies a player driven issue too, as that comes down to when they pop it and the internet connection being in favor of them or not.

/shrugs

Ionno tanking tho clearly, am dumb and not meme enuf to kno tank