Lack of End Game Content

[Avraym]

Not sure OP is even a hardcore player like such mentioned. Currently a certain well-known site that measure's people's performance for endgame fights has zero clears by OP of any content at lv80. It's technically possible that OP just didn't happen to run with anybody who was parsing ever, but more likely that they themselves are merely stirring the pot here, IMO.

Couple that with the way they're treating people who have only ever been friendly and helpful in the forums (see post immediately above yours)...and yeah, I personally think OP isn't worth even responding to anymore. Don't feed trolls and all that.

I never claimed to be "hard core" however, your "well-known" site, should show that I have completed all level 80 content successfully, multiple times to receive best in slot for my main, up until the patch that was released moments ago.

Heres a quick screenshot that demonstrates I have all Tomes gear on the left, Titania weapon and all innocence accessories to debunk your opinion.



Your post just seems a poor attempt to defame, unsuccessfully I might add.

[Zabuza]

See I'm not sure you aren't trolling and purposely being obtuse at this point. You see you keep ranting about being a raider even to the point that you keep acting as if you're speaking on all of their behalf. Well after a quick lookup I can say that you are most definitely not a raider you are simply someone who joins raids and may or may not even be part of a static but I sincerely doubt it. The reason I'm saying this is rather simple the difference between Raiders and People that Raid is Raiders will actually have their crafting and gathering jobs maxed alongside their chosen raiding job the reason for this is because raiders will spend the time gathering and crafting items that will specifically benefit them and their statics in the raid content that means, Potions, Food, etc.etc. and they do this on the weekly they don't just rely on 1 person in the static to provide all of that and they definitely don't get what they need off the market board, (Auction house, Galactic Trade Kiosk, Etc.) I may not have really raided last expansion (Hell just came back in April and goofed off before new expac) But I have raided in both WoW and SWToR and I do plan on Raiding here with the new expansion out. I'm patient enough to spend the weeks in between working on leveling my crafts and gathering so I have more to provide in addition to my playing my chosen jobs. if you cant find something to fill your time in between raid times then maybe you just arent planning on doing much more than joining raids.

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

Did you clear them?

[Zabuza]

Did you clear them?

Sorry, I am unable to clear them from work. I'll try harder next time. Given that they have taken top raiders 1-2 hours to clear, it will probably take me a week to clear these two tiers, and three to clear the final tier. I wouldn't be surprised if it was sooner. I've done this enough times to know how it goes. Those from the casual crowd seem to like to throw any excuse they can at me to avoid the simple truth: It shouldn't be easy enough for anyone to clear that quickly, and it didn't used to be. But anything to dismiss the raiding community's legit grievances, right?

yes what a joke that a handfull of worlds best players clear content fast.

Do you not understand my point that the amount of time it takes the worlds best to clear these things is an indicator of how long it will take everyone else? If your typical savage raider takes 10 times longer to clear than a world's best, it will take them 10 hours for this. If it took world's best raiders 5 hours to clear tiers 1 and 2, it would take a typical savage raider 50 hours to do the same. Of course there are slight variances, and I don't know the exact ratio, but my point is the correlation itself. World's best or not, the speed at which they cleared it does not speak well to the longevity where it will concern typical raiders.

[RyuSaarva]

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

yes what a joke that a handfull of worlds best players clear content fast.

[Eli85]

yes what a joke that a handfull of worlds best players clear content fast.

The best players in the world should clear content fast, but if it takes them only a day or two then S-E has completely failed in tuning. The world first clears should take 7-14 days. Sadly, this first tier will be dead within 24 hours. That really isn't acceptable.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This thread has stopped being Productive.

[Kaylessa]

This thread has stopped being Productive.

Because people refuse to discuss the topic. They'd rather discuss who has the 'right' to talk about it and exactly who are hardcore raiders and what it entails. Just sheer idiocy TBH *shrugs*.

[SpookyGhost]

The best players in the world should clear content fast, but if it takes them only a day or two then S-E has completely failed in tuning. The world first clears should take 7-14 days. Sadly, this first tier will be dead within 24 hours. That really isn't acceptable.

The only way to really prevent WF groups from day 1/2/3-ing it is to gear gate, which (if we recall back to Gordias) nobody likes.

[Hawklaser]

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

This doesn't surprise me any. If anyone here has actually cleared them, was there any notable new differences between the tiers? Or pretty much a rehash like the normal -> EX trials, with only a couple minor new things to learn. If it is just a rehash it very much supports the lack of end game content argument.

I'll probably just cherry pick which savage+ stuff I do, as while I may have the time, there just isn't enough challenging and engaging end game content to warrent putting in the time needed to develop the consistency for those tiers, especially since more recent changes have left me looking for something I can call a main again. If had something I currently felt like maining, could probably do them if was getting more than a memory game challenge from content.

On the thread productivity, pretty much what Kaylessa said.