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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    I think Dark Knight feels pretty good right now. While it's not perfect, no job is, and I'd argue that anyone thinking Dark Knight is the squishiest tank either isn't playing it properly or only has experience with people who aren't playing it properly.
    Or people who disagree with this statement does not play other tanks job, because DRK is objectively the squishest tank in the roaster. And by saying this, i am saying its performance in the hardest benchmarks which are dungeon pulls.
    Any tank is able to tank raids and bosses effectively, the difference between tank jobs is getting more visible if you put each one in front of large stack of enemies who are able to do much more damage than any raid boss could do.
    In this case, DRK besides having TBN and shadow wall and abyssal drain heal has nothing else to mitigate damage, an i am not counting 2 obvious tank roles CD's because these are not enough.
    If gunbreaker is not a tank, then DRK is a weakest dps in there, because GNB has 4 cooldowns on his own to mitigate damage + more useful superbolide over nearly useless living death.

    DRK lost his superior sustain he used to have in stormblood and now he is left with 2 abilities to play dungeons with, its pathetic and painful to play in dungeons. I have no motivation to lvl my drk, the difference in deffensives between each tank job is huge.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    To be fair, when were tanks never squishy. Def cooldowns, sure, But you wont be holding off a pack of mobs for very long without a healer...well drk wont, my bad. lol
    Stromblood DRK and Warrior want to have a word with you.
    My healers were able to dps when i was doing my rotation, it was this powerful.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 07-30-2019 at 08:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Or people who disagree with this statement does not play other tanks job, because DRK is objectively the squishest tank in the roaster.
    Please don't use words if you can't use them correctly/accurately. In this case the word "objectively" is flat out incorrect.

    Sorry, but YOU are the one who is objectively wrong.

    DRKs are by far the easiest to heal/least squishy. I know this because I have healed them in all of the 5.0 dungeons/content. Along with all the other tanks. And I myself main GNB (and used to main DRK).

    DRK's TBN is insanely good, and while they don't have as many unique CDs as PLD or GNB, they still have all the "universal" CDs (20%, 30%, Arm's Length, etc).

    When I play healer, I always love getting DRKs in dungeons because I know I'll have a shitton more time to DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Please don't use words if you can't use them correctly/accurately. In this case the word "objectively" is flat out incorrect.

    Sorry, but YOU are the one who is objectively wrong.

    DRKs are by far the easiest to heal/least squishy. I know this because I have healed them in all of the 5.0 dungeons/content. Along with all the other tanks. And I myself main GNB (and used to main DRK).

    DRK's TBN is insanely good, and while they don't have as many unique CDs as PLD or GNB, they still have all the "universal" CDs (20%, 30%, Arm's Length, etc).

    When I play healer, I always love getting DRKs in dungeons because I know I'll have a shitton more time to DPS.
    The universal cd's are pretty much all you need really with their kit, and blackest night really good. Well timed dcd usage makes this a non-issue, the only gripe I think would be there aren't enough meaningful uses of magic mitigation, and living dead is kind of a death sentence with most healers if you have to use it. Since you shouldn't have to use it in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    DRKs are by far the easiest to heal/least squishy. I know this because I have healed them in all of the 5.0 dungeons/content. Along with all the other tanks. And I myself main GNB (and used to main DRK).

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    When I play healer, I always love getting DRKs in dungeons because I know I'll have a shitton more time to DPS.
    I completly agree with you. Being a healer I can say DRK is the easiest to heal in 5.0. By the other hand, theres something wrong with GNB, or meyba Tanks are still adjusting to the the new role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    DRK's TBN is insanely good, and while they don't have as many unique CDs as PLD or GNB, they still have all the "universal" CDs (20%, 30%, Arm's Length, etc).
    A well timed Abyssal Drain can be pretty amazing too with bigger pulls. Drives me nuts when I see it get used prematurely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Please don't use words if you can't use them correctly/accurately. In this case the word "objectively" is flat out incorrect.

    Sorry, but YOU are the one who is objectively wrong.

    DRKs are by far the easiest to heal/least squishy. I know this because I have healed them in all of the 5.0 dungeons/content. Along with all the other tanks. And I myself main GNB (and used to main DRK).

    DRK's TBN is insanely good, and while they don't have as many unique CDs as PLD or GNB, they still have all the "universal" CDs (20%, 30%, Arm's Length, etc).

    When I play healer, I always love getting DRKs in dungeons because I know I'll have a shitton more time to DPS.
    Its just the feeling you have when your tank turn activate TBN because you dont have to constantly heal him but it doesnt change the fact its only 7 second duration and 25% max hp which deplee in like 3-4 seconds with wall to wall pulls.
    Warrior could heal himself for almost full HP with one use of the chaotic cyclone when he gets nascent flash and thrill of the battle and he could do that THREE times in the row giving it efficiency at around 250% hp within 6 seconds.

    25% hp simply doesnt cut it, it disappears in an instant if you dont have CD on, if you do then you are left with 2 cooldowns left to use and pray for the matchmaking gods to give you competetive dpses otherwise its gg.

    DRK is not that tanky comparing to other tank jobs.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 07-31-2019 at 05:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Or people who disagree with this statement does not play other tanks job, because DRK is objectively the squishest tank in the roaster. And by saying this, i am saying its performance in the hardest benchmarks which are dungeon pulls.
    Any tank is able to tank raids and bosses effectively, the difference between tank jobs is getting more visible if you put each one in front of large stack of enemies who are able to do much more damage than any raid boss could do.
    In this case, DRK besides having TBN and shadow wall and abyssal drain heal has nothing else to mitigate damage, an i am not counting 2 obvious tank roles CD's because these are not enough.
    what does PLD have that's better than DRK?
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