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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe View Post
    It tickles me that these people get so bent out of shape over something that literally has no impact on them. Ever.
    Heroin has literally no impact on me. Ever. I still think it's an important social problem.

    Besides that, I don't believe at all that mtx shops have no impact on me. The entire industry is shifting and has shifted due to excessive monetization practices. Games today are designed in completely different ways specifically because of the allure of microtransaction profit.
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  2. #52
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    I'm really hoping to see the summer stuff from last year or whatever. I hate that I missed them. The sandals, the top, the sunglasses, the booty shorts. I need them. Right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrestia View Post
    This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

    If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

    Here's the original talk without commentary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

    This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.
    Hun the mogstation in no way acts like mobile mtx schemes... bit reaching there...

    If SE added loot boxes you think people'd here defend it? They handle the store respectfully by not putting 80-95% of all cosmetics in it, unlike eso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrestia View Post
    This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

    If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

    Here's the original talk without commentary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

    This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.
    Sure I would agree with you if the mogstation was anything like the cash shops in AAA games but it isn't. All the items are cosmetic and gives you zero advantage, as well as you get what you paid for i.e random chance like loot boxes. If you want to buy items from the mogstation cool, if not cool. It doesn't affect me in anyway if someone goes out and buys a cosmetic outfit or a mount.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by NealSnow View Post
    Hun the mogstation in no way acts like mobile mtx schemes... bit reaching there...

    If SE added loot boxes you think people'd here defend it? They handle the store respectfully by not putting 80-95% of all cosmetics in it, unlike eso.
    They still add to it more than I would like, but yeah it could definitely be so much worse. ESO's cash shop is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I mean, I get it. But I don't really see such business practices here. We don't have loot boxes or boosters (like increased gil gain, more exp per kill, etc), which is what most of this refers to. Would I love being able to obtain everything in game? Of course. But a mount or outfit here and there isn't that big of a deal. In the mobile gaming industry, they thrive off of people who want things now, and will pay whatever they can to get them as fast as possible. That is where this issue you've brought up is the most prevalent.
    It's Just Cosmetic

    We joke that glamour is the true end-game but there is some truth in it.

    People want their characters to look cool/stand-out in a virtual world.

    I'm ok with regional exclusives and previous event items being locked to the Mog Station but I do think in a game that you buy to play and pay to play, there should be an emphasis on earning such items through achievements in-game.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komarimono View Post
    Are you really so ignorant to post something that has literally nothing to do with the Mog Station? Have you even watched those videos? They are speaking of predatory micro transactions and loot boxes. Neither of which you will find in the Mog Station.

    Predatory meaning, they offer items that grant you the chance to progress or you're stuck
    https://imgur.com/hgzRMm9

    But wait, you'll bring up the job skip! That bypasses the content! Yes and no, it's mostly for those leveling jobs or having issues with it, honestly just a time saver and not much of one. And leveling said job doesn't give you any impact greater then the player who spent the few hours to level it instead.[/QUOTE]

    https://imgur.com/ADdPi5s

    They know job skips aren't competitive advantage. They're convenience. The top target in the same video where he explicitly states the vast majority of your (the game developer's) revenue will come from.

    This applies perfectly well, you just have to be willing to think about it instead of snapping off how SE would never be like that.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    They still add to it more than I would like, but yeah it could definitely be so much worse. ESO's cash shop is ridiculous.
    Oh my God yes! ESO's cash shop is horrendous, and makes me never want to play it. The only thing good out of the game is the sub, their sub is a decent value considering with the crafting bag, and access to all DLC w/o purchase. The lootboxes and "limited time cash grabs at ridiculous prices are scary bad. It's all based around buying more and more and more, you can buy the stuff you want out of the lootbox directly by like dismantling or whatever the stuff you got out of it, so the intent is to get you to buy more and more and more and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    It's Just Cosmetic

    We joke that glamour is the true end-game but there is some truth in it.

    People want their characters to look cool/stand-out in a virtual world.

    I'm ok with regional exclusives and previous event items being locked to the Mog Station but I do think in a game that you buy to play and pay to play, there should be an emphasis on earning such items through achievements in-game.
    I respect your opinion and generally agree with it. But the fact remains that the cash shop exists, and they will continue to add to it as long as it remains profitable (so basically, for years and years). So...like it or not, it is here to stay. And they add way more to the game than the Mogstation with every patch. Obviously I would prefer they would add less, but so long as it does indeed remain largely cosmetic, I don't care. Businesses gonna business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    I see some posters are continuing their established track record of trying to turn everything into some sort of weird moral issue.

    The game isn't going to crash and burn due to the presence of optional items. There's a lot of people, myself included, who are more than willing to throw extra money at the game for various reasons.

    It's also our money to do with as we please.
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