Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Nobody is saying it is WoW. Whats surprising is that the formula doesn't change AT ALL to accommodate even slightly for the increase in raiders and new players that are flocking from other MMORPGs.

And they will likely lose a lot of these new players, when they could've made a lot more money off of them. That's the tragic part.

[Ibkee]

Nobody is saying it is WoW. Whats surprising is that the formula doesn't change AT ALL to accommodate even slightly for the increase in raiders and new players that are flocking from other MMORPGs.

Why should the game change to accommodate anyone, let alone a vanishing minority, when the formula is both the reason for this game's success and the reason many players come to the game in the first place?

You might have an argument if the game wasn't increasingly successful and highly lucrative, but, seeing as it's both, why should they change direction now - 6 years down the line? At this stage, you're only moaning for the sake of moaning and you know it.

And they will likely lose a lot of these new players, when they could've made a lot more money off of them. That's the tragic part.

You can't win them all and you can't please everyone, there's nothing tragic about it.

[Zabuza]

You can't win them all and you can't please everyone, there's nothing tragic about it.

You can say that because you're on the winning side. The devs actually care about you. Gaming companies all over care about your $. Not just MMOs, but I've watched gaming in general be watered down in difficulty over and over as time has gone on. So yeah, for you that is some victory. Your demands actually get listened to and sometimes met. Just look at what has happened to the difficulty of things in this game. Dungeons, which used to be somewhat stimulating, are now a joke. Compare Amdapor Keep and Pharos Sirius to the dungeons of now. Compare Coil/Alexander to the raids of now. For raiders/hardcore players, this is a continuing tragedy.

[Hawklaser]

I'm just gonna keep an eye on this other thread for a bit.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-a-long-time

Someone else looking for some more challenge. Just not specifically endgame only. If it gets some traction too, it kinda hints that its just not the raiders wanting a bit more bite and variety to the battle content.

Who knows, maybe some might be a bit more receptive to there being a need for more difficult content once they see a wider range of people looking for similar things.

[Avraym]

Why should the game change to accommodate anyone, let alone a vanishing minority, when the formula is both the reason for this game's success and the reason many players come to the game in the first place?

You might have an argument if the game wasn't increasingly successful and highly lucrative, but, seeing as it's both, why should they change direction now - 6 years down the line? At this stage, you're only moaning for the sake of moaning and you know it.

Did it ever occur to you, that the raiding community is only a vanishing minority because there is almost no raiding content?

WoW is still the most actively subscribed player base for a reason. It's known for having lots of end game content.

The little end game content FFXIV has is stellar. Theres just a not a lot. If it stepped it up a bit on the raiding/end tier part, for sure we'd see more people subscribing.

Will FFXIV suddenly become WoW if they added more end game content? Of course not. It still has its rich story and time consuming side quest/leveling to keep casual players sated.

I'm so tired of the casual gamers being so against raiders getting anything. God forbid we should get anything new to the formula over 6 years.

The suggestion is a fair and valid one that is only in the interests of the games continued longevity and success.

Moaning for the sake of moaning? Please.

[Ibkee]

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You're embittered that the game ticks all the boxes for others, but not for you. That's unhealthy and, given the game formula itself will not change, I'd recommend changing games at least for a time until new content is available (as Yoshi P suggests)

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Speaking of formula, your posts follow this one:

Moan about lack of stuff to do - get presented with evidence that this is by design - ignore point and lash out at "casuals" and act like it's casuals vs raiders - request change of formula - act like you only want one or two more bosses and not a change of formula

I never said any of the things you accused. I said that the game is increasingly successful and very lucrative, so there is no impetus for SE to change the formula. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting more content. I'm sure there are plenty of casuals who would love Yoshi P to bin a raid in favor of something more general, but neither are realistically going to happen. The game is the game, expecting it to be something more is essentially moaning for the sake of it.

You want to play your idealised version of FFXIV, not the thing we have now. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you think it's changing direction at this stage then I don't know what to tell you.

[RareItems]

A lot of players stopped raiding because its too much effort for glamour items that are mostly not good anyways xD. Pretty sure those guys selling Wins on the Party Finder for Paypal transfers are running out of business too xD.

[Avraym]

Speaking of formula, your posts follow this one:

Moan about lack of stuff to do - get presented with evidence that this is by design - ignore point and lash out at "casuals" and act like it's casuals vs raiders - request change of formula - act like you only want one or two more bosses and not a change of formula

I never said any of the things you accused. I said that the game is increasingly successful and very lucrative, so there is no impetus for SE to change the formula. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting more content. I'm sure there are plenty of casuals who would love Yoshi P to bin a raid in favor of something more general, but neither are realistically going to happen. The game is the game, expecting it to be something more is essentially moaning for the sake of it.

You want to play your idealised version of FFXIV, not the thing we have now. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you think it's changing direction at this stage then I don't know what to tell you.

"Act like you only want one or two more bosses". Thats literally all I'm asking for.. If they did change that - it would be a change to the formula. It would be an increase to the crumbs we're usually given.

You said everything I said. And I never said the game wasn't successful or lucrative. I just said it could be even BETTER with some much needed end game additions.

You have a very complacent view, ignoring entirely, that despite the games continued success, we still receive the exact same amount we've been giving previously.

What's wrong with wanting the game to do better. It's not a change of direction, but merely building upon what is already there.

[Ibkee]

"Act like you only want one or two more bosses". Thats literally all I'm asking for.. If they did change that - it would be a change to the formula. It would be an increase to the crumbs we're usually given.

They literally added two more bosses last expansion and you never did them.

So now what?

You said everything I said. And I never said the game wasn't successful or lucrative. I just said it could be even BETTER with some much needed end game additions.

You know more about how to run a business than Square Enix and how to run an MMORPG than Yoshi P, apparently.

By the way, I have some good news for you, much needed end game additions are coming tomorrow - Savage.

What's wrong with wanting the game to do better. It's not a change of direction, but merely building upon what is already there.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting stuff for the game, despite projecting what you personally want onto the rest of the playerbase. Everyone would like stuff.

The difference is, you and others have made it perfectly clear you are unhappy with the game. Bored. Nothing to do. One or two more bosses won't change that much, if at all. And when the director of the game tells you to just unsub you lash out at casuals for daring to be happy with the very formula which keeps them subscribed.

I dunno what more to say other than you should take a break, once you've finished Savage, until Ultimate in 5.1. That's not satisfactory for you, I know, but it's more realistic than expecting the game to change it's tried and tested (and increasingly successful) formula. Sorry.

[Avraym]

They literally added two more bosses last expansion and you never did them.

So now what?

You know more about how to run a business than Square Enix and how to run an MMORPG than Yoshi P, apparently.

By the way, I have some good news for you, much needed end game additions are coming tomorrow - Savage.



Like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting stuff for the game, despite projecting what you personally want onto the rest of the playerbase. Everyone would like stuff.

The difference is, you and others have made it perfectly clear you are unhappy with the game. Bored. Nothing to do. One or two more bosses won't change that much, if at all. And when the director of the game tells you to just unsub you lash out at casuals for daring to be happy with the very formula which keeps them subscribed.

I dunno what more to say other than you should take a break, once you've finished Savage, until Ultimate in 5.1. That's not satisfactory for you, I know, but it's more realistic than expecting the game to change it's tried and tested (and increasingly successful) formula. Sorry.

They added Ultimate bosses - and you're right, I didn't do them as I was unsubscribed (as per your suggestion). I've already stated that finding a group now to do Ultimate would be pointless if not almost impossible. It's dated synced content that nobody is interested in doing, without a full kit and with no reward that reflects the current challenge. To even attempt to suggest it as current end game is laughable.

Thanks for reminding us that savage is coming tomorrow. Perhaps if you read the thread you'd see we're already well aware.

Yes everyone would "like stuff". Its just incredibly apparent that overtime, one side of the scale has gotten significantly more, while the other side remains basically unchanged.

The "Yoshi P said take a break" is such a tired and played out excuse from people who are already getting what they want. We're at the beginning of an expansion. We should have plenty to do.

I expect that between patches for the content to dry up a bit - but not so early into a new experience.

Sorry, but the formula is lazy and tired and after 6 years, and from what we're seeing here, a lot of people will be inclined to agree.