Lack of End Game Content

[Avraym]

Why should the game change to accommodate anyone, let alone a vanishing minority, when the formula is both the reason for this game's success and the reason many players come to the game in the first place?

You might have an argument if the game wasn't increasingly successful and highly lucrative, but, seeing as it's both, why should they change direction now - 6 years down the line? At this stage, you're only moaning for the sake of moaning and you know it.

Did it ever occur to you, that the raiding community is only a vanishing minority because there is almost no raiding content?

WoW is still the most actively subscribed player base for a reason. It's known for having lots of end game content.

The little end game content FFXIV has is stellar. Theres just a not a lot. If it stepped it up a bit on the raiding/end tier part, for sure we'd see more people subscribing.

Will FFXIV suddenly become WoW if they added more end game content? Of course not. It still has its rich story and time consuming side quest/leveling to keep casual players sated.

I'm so tired of the casual gamers being so against raiders getting anything. God forbid we should get anything new to the formula over 6 years.

The suggestion is a fair and valid one that is only in the interests of the games continued longevity and success.

Moaning for the sake of moaning? Please.

[Ibkee]

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You're embittered that the game ticks all the boxes for others, but not for you. That's unhealthy and, given the game formula itself will not change, I'd recommend changing games at least for a time until new content is available (as Yoshi P suggests)

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Speaking of formula, your posts follow this one:

Moan about lack of stuff to do - get presented with evidence that this is by design - ignore point and lash out at "casuals" and act like it's casuals vs raiders - request change of formula - act like you only want one or two more bosses and not a change of formula

I never said any of the things you accused. I said that the game is increasingly successful and very lucrative, so there is no impetus for SE to change the formula. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting more content. I'm sure there are plenty of casuals who would love Yoshi P to bin a raid in favor of something more general, but neither are realistically going to happen. The game is the game, expecting it to be something more is essentially moaning for the sake of it.

You want to play your idealised version of FFXIV, not the thing we have now. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you think it's changing direction at this stage then I don't know what to tell you.

[Avraym]

Speaking of formula, your posts follow this one:

Moan about lack of stuff to do - get presented with evidence that this is by design - ignore point and lash out at "casuals" and act like it's casuals vs raiders - request change of formula - act like you only want one or two more bosses and not a change of formula

I never said any of the things you accused. I said that the game is increasingly successful and very lucrative, so there is no impetus for SE to change the formula. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting more content. I'm sure there are plenty of casuals who would love Yoshi P to bin a raid in favor of something more general, but neither are realistically going to happen. The game is the game, expecting it to be something more is essentially moaning for the sake of it.

You want to play your idealised version of FFXIV, not the thing we have now. I'm not unsympathetic, but if you think it's changing direction at this stage then I don't know what to tell you.

"Act like you only want one or two more bosses". Thats literally all I'm asking for.. If they did change that - it would be a change to the formula. It would be an increase to the crumbs we're usually given.

You said everything I said. And I never said the game wasn't successful or lucrative. I just said it could be even BETTER with some much needed end game additions.

You have a very complacent view, ignoring entirely, that despite the games continued success, we still receive the exact same amount we've been giving previously.

What's wrong with wanting the game to do better. It's not a change of direction, but merely building upon what is already there.

[Ibkee]

"Act like you only want one or two more bosses". Thats literally all I'm asking for.. If they did change that - it would be a change to the formula. It would be an increase to the crumbs we're usually given.

They literally added two more bosses last expansion and you never did them.

So now what?

You said everything I said. And I never said the game wasn't successful or lucrative. I just said it could be even BETTER with some much needed end game additions.

You know more about how to run a business than Square Enix and how to run an MMORPG than Yoshi P, apparently.

By the way, I have some good news for you, much needed end game additions are coming tomorrow - Savage.

What's wrong with wanting the game to do better. It's not a change of direction, but merely building upon what is already there.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting stuff for the game, despite projecting what you personally want onto the rest of the playerbase. Everyone would like stuff.

The difference is, you and others have made it perfectly clear you are unhappy with the game. Bored. Nothing to do. One or two more bosses won't change that much, if at all. And when the director of the game tells you to just unsub you lash out at casuals for daring to be happy with the very formula which keeps them subscribed.

I dunno what more to say other than you should take a break, once you've finished Savage, until Ultimate in 5.1. That's not satisfactory for you, I know, but it's more realistic than expecting the game to change it's tried and tested (and increasingly successful) formula. Sorry.

[Avraym]

They literally added two more bosses last expansion and you never did them.

So now what?

You know more about how to run a business than Square Enix and how to run an MMORPG than Yoshi P, apparently.

By the way, I have some good news for you, much needed end game additions are coming tomorrow - Savage.



Like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting stuff for the game, despite projecting what you personally want onto the rest of the playerbase. Everyone would like stuff.

The difference is, you and others have made it perfectly clear you are unhappy with the game. Bored. Nothing to do. One or two more bosses won't change that much, if at all. And when the director of the game tells you to just unsub you lash out at casuals for daring to be happy with the very formula which keeps them subscribed.

I dunno what more to say other than you should take a break, once you've finished Savage, until Ultimate in 5.1. That's not satisfactory for you, I know, but it's more realistic than expecting the game to change it's tried and tested (and increasingly successful) formula. Sorry.

They added Ultimate bosses - and you're right, I didn't do them as I was unsubscribed (as per your suggestion). I've already stated that finding a group now to do Ultimate would be pointless if not almost impossible. It's dated synced content that nobody is interested in doing, without a full kit and with no reward that reflects the current challenge. To even attempt to suggest it as current end game is laughable.

Thanks for reminding us that savage is coming tomorrow. Perhaps if you read the thread you'd see we're already well aware.

Yes everyone would "like stuff". Its just incredibly apparent that overtime, one side of the scale has gotten significantly more, while the other side remains basically unchanged.

The "Yoshi P said take a break" is such a tired and played out excuse from people who are already getting what they want. We're at the beginning of an expansion. We should have plenty to do.

I expect that between patches for the content to dry up a bit - but not so early into a new experience.

Sorry, but the formula is lazy and tired and after 6 years, and from what we're seeing here, a lot of people will be inclined to agree.

[ForteNightshade]

They added Ultimate bosses - and you're right, I didn't do them as I was unsubscribed (as per your suggestion). I've already stated that finding a group now to do Ultimate would be pointless if not almost impossible. It's dated synced content that nobody is interested in doing, without a full kit and with no reward that reflects the current challenge. To even attempt to suggest it as current end game is laughable.

Your reward remains what it always was: a title and weapon denoting you cleared the hardest content this game has to offer. UCoB and UwU will remain significantly harder than the entire Eden Savage series. They may not be as popular nowadays because people are focused on newer content, but to say they aren't relevant or insinuate the reward is laughable, is laughable in its own right. Frankly, it hurts the entire creditability of your thread despite my agreement there could be more level 80 content.

[Avraym]

Your reward remains what it always was: a title and weapon denoting you cleared the hardest content this game has to offer. UCoB and UwU will remain significantly harder than the entire Eden Savage series. They may not be as popular nowadays because people are focused on newer content, but to say they aren't relevant or insinuate the reward is laughable, is laughable in its own right. Frankly, it hurts the entire creditability of your thread despite my agreement there could be more level 80 content.

Well, I don't believe the reward does remains what it always was. You have to understand that by completing this content upon its patch release, you had the best weapon in the game. One that can be taken into further content into the next patch. Raiders LOVE a challenge and they LOVE being rewarded. Once the weapon is no longer best in slot, you are purely left with only aesthetics and as a raider, are less inclined to do the content.

I can concede being wrong on this one though - as this more of a personal preference.

[Ibkee]

They added Ultimate bosses - and you're right, I didn't do them as I was unsubscribed (as per your suggestion). I've already stated that finding a group now to do Ultimate would be pointless if not almost impossible. It's dated synced content that nobody is interested in doing, without a full kit and with no reward that reflects the current challenge. To even attempt to suggest it as current end game is laughable.

Yet the point remains that they added 2-3 more bosses and you are still unhappy. They will yet add the same this expansion too.

Yet you feel qualified to moan that there's not enough to do when, in fact, you've not even done all the content available.

Thanks for reminding us that savage is coming tomorrow. Perhaps if you read the thread you'd see we're already well aware.

Cool. So I expect you'll be too busy doing Savage to attack "casuals" for enjoying the game, at least.

Yes everyone would "like stuff". Its just incredibly apparent that overtime, one side of the scale has gotten significantly more, while the other side remains basically unchanged.

Except for the aforementioned Ultimate fights, which you haven't done, right?

Yes they've added more casual content and that is the focus of the game. Yes it's been happening for years. Yes it's helped to make the game popular and it's popularity is growing, not shrinking. That's Final Fantasy XIV. Sorry.

The "Yoshi P said take a break" is such a tired and played out excuse from people who are already getting what they want. We're at the beginning of an expansion. We should have plenty to do.

And here lies the rub. You've run out of content to do because what the game, and the majority of those who play it, consider content isn't the same as you.

We actually do have plenty to do. I don't have enough hours in the day for the game and I'm one of the lucky ones who is married to someone who also plays the game.

Have you ever considered that there may actually be quite a few people "getting what they want" from this game? Maybe it's just not the game you want it to be? Maybe another game is? Maybe it's WoW? Maybe that's ok too?

Sorry, but the formula is lazy and tired and after 6 years, and from what we're seeing here, a lot of people will be inclined to agree.

And from what we're seeing by subscription numbers, most would be inclined to disagree. Which barometer of public opinion do you think SE cares about most?

[Avraym]

Yet the point remains that they added 2-3 more bosses and you are still unhappy. They will yet add the same this expansion too.
Yet you feel qualified to moan that there's not enough to do when, in fact, you've not even done all the content available.
Cool. So I expect you'll be too busy doing Savage to attack "casuals" for enjoying the game, at least.
Except for the aforementioned Ultimate fights, which you haven't done, right?
Yes they've added more casual content and that is the focus of the game. Yes it's been happening for years. Yes it's helped to make the game popular and it's popularity is growing, not shrinking. That's Final Fantasy XIV. Sorry.
And here lies the rub. You've run out of content to do because what the game, and the majority of those who play it, consider content isn't the same as you.
We actually do have plenty to do. I don't have enough hours in the day for the game and I'm one of the lucky ones who is married to someone who also plays the game.
Have you ever considered that there may actually be quite a few people "getting what they want" from this game? Maybe it's just not the game you want it to be? Maybe another game is? Maybe it's WoW? Maybe that's ok too?
And from what we're seeing by subscription numbers, most would be inclined to disagree. Which barometer of public opinion do you think SE cares about most?

Here's the shocker. End game isn't entirely Ultimate. Casual players LOVE to rest on the statistics for Ultimate because only a small percentage of players are able to successfully complete it. End game is also, Extreme's, Savages, Palace of the Dead Style dungeons. They are not the same. They are not as difficult as one another. To discredit a raider entirely, for not being able to do one small portion of the limited end game content we have, is incredibly short sided. I wouldn't discredit a casual player for choosing not to do chocobo breeding for example. Not all end game content is the same in the same way that not all side content is the same.

I'm not "attacking" anyone for enjoying the game or the content they choose to do.

Yoshi P has said himself, more raiders and coming to the game. The game as you've said, is increasing in popularity and its numbers. Why aren't even these funds being attributed to the type of content the growing portion of the players enjoy?

Thats great that players like you have plenty to do. But it stands to reason why you wouldn't want anything to change. You're getting exactly what you want.

Perhaps if you spent less facetiously saying "Sorry" and more time comparing and examining how little the other side has despite the games increased revenue, you might be more inclined to understand a little better.

[HyoMinPark]

They added Ultimate bosses - and you're right, I didn't do them as I was unsubscribed (as per your suggestion). I've already stated that finding a group now to do Ultimate would be pointless if not almost impossible. It's dated synced content that nobody is interested in doing, without a full kit and with no reward that reflects the current challenge. To even attempt to suggest it as current end game is laughable.

Sorry, dude, but you are wrong. Ultimate is not outdated content. They are never outdated—they are always relevant because the developers specifically kept the syncs to preserve the challenge of the content. Yoshida literally said this in an interview not too long before Shadowbringers dropped when an interviewer asked him about unsyncing them. He wanted to preserve the challenge and the prestige that went along with clearing them.

No reward? Your reward is a weapon and a title for a piece of content that not even 1% of the playerbase has cleared. That is your reward. And it is an achievement that is never invalidated because people cannot faceroll the content with unsync like they can everything else. It is always challenging.

Jobs not having a full kit? This isn’t like it’s syncing you down to level 50 where you have a handful of skills. You have most of your kit. Shadowbringers did not add much that dramatically changes gameplay for most jobs from level 70 to level 80.

No one is interested in doing it? I’m in an Aether-based Discord for Ultimates and I still get pings for reclears and prog groups. With Savage releasing soon, sure—most raiders will be taking a break from Ultimate to focus on the tier. But what are they going to do after they get Savage out of the way? Probably go back into it for:

—Clears, with regards to those who did not get their clear before the expansion dropped (my static has already discussed going into UCoB to get clears for 3 of our members)
—Reclears, with regards to those who want more weapons or a parse or whatever (I plan on getting some more UwU reclears because I want more weapons and I want a clear on DNC)

This content isn’t dead content.


You’re claiming that this game lacks endgame content. Ultimate is endgame content. Your issue seems to be purely with “it’s not level 80, so that means it’s not endgame”. I can guarantee you that the Ultimate fights are more challenging than the tier that is about to release in two days. This isn’t meant to insult the new tier—but Savage is a step below Ultimate, and it always will be. Even “old, synced” Ultimates.


EDIT: I’m in agreement with ForteNightshade that these statements about Ultimate discredits your thread about this game lacking endgame content. Almost as much as your claim that you were BiS on jobs—

Hi Ibkee.

Good question - I have best in slot for Caster/Healer/Tank. (Tomes/Immiculate/King Gear)

I'm sitting on 50+ totems for both extremes.

—when your GNB still has the i430 weathered weapon equipped according to your Lodestone, and a couple accessories from the expert dungeons (Earrings and Bracelet). If you were BiS, you’d have a Titania weapon and Innocence accessories with one Goetia ring. So, hey, lookie there! You have more to do still, it seems!

Level 70 or no, Ultimate will be more difficult than any endgame content level 80 can offer until the level 80 Ultimates release.