Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

No, because I don't have to say raiders should just put in more effort to enjoy other types of content. They either do or they don't. Their choice.

And if savage was made for everyone, then we wouldn't need normal that gives the same gear except undyeable and with worse stats.

And I can argue that at the end of the day, everyone who raided savage put in effort at some point to practice their class and/or research it to improve at this game. Casuals are also capable of this, but don't want to. Technically you CAN clear the content. Casuals need normal because they don't want to put in the effort to play at their best. They just want to chill, which I can understand. They don't care about playing megatryhard, and I don't care about non-challenging content.

So are you, your whole argument is that you are going to a successful themepark that has lots of rides but keep saying "you know your least popular rides? Make more of those even if you have to sacrifice some of the more popular ones because there are so many."
Then when the many people who enjoy those rides come over and say they don't want to give them up, you tell them "too bad you have more other rides go use those we want more." The majority are scratching their heads as are the park owners because that arguments benefits no one standing there but you.

Or you already have enough rides to please all of the non-thrill seekers at the park, but those who enjoy thrill rides want a ride or two they can enjoy. Instead of making that one or two rides for them which would INCREASE the amount of people that come to your park, you keep making additional mild rides, and when the non-thrill seekers visit your park, they are not able to ride even half of all the rides during their visit, because there are simply too many in the park for them to actively participate in during the visit. Meanwhile, the thrill seekers have nothing to ride, but the non-thrill seekers keep lobbying the park owners to not add any thrill rides anyways out of pure selfishness.

[linay]

And I can argue that at the end of the day, everyone who raided savage put in effort at some point to practice their class and/or research it to improve at this game. Casuals are also capable of this, but don't want to. Technically you CAN clear the content. Casuals need normal because they don't want to put in the effort to play at their best. They just want to chill, which I can understand. They don't care about playing megatryhard, and I don't care about non-challenging content.

So, for your argument to work, casuals need to be more like raiders. My point, however, is that raiders don't need to be casual to enjoy other content.

[Zabuza]

So, for your argument to work, casuals need to be more like raiders. My point, however, is that raiders don't need to be casual to enjoy other content.

Actually, they do. It would take a lot of effort to try to force myself to care about those things which I consider pointless and asinine. I respect that people enjoy doing them, but I don't want to do them. To tell me to 'enjoy' them is telling me to put a lot of effort in to try to trick my own mind into believing it's something I care about.

[linay]

Actually, they do. It would take a lot of effort to try to force myself to care about those things which I consider pointless and asinine. I respect that people enjoy doing them, but I don't want to do them. To tell me to 'enjoy' them is telling me to put a lot of effort in to try to trick my own mind into believing it's something I care about.

I'm not telling you to do anything in regard to how you play. You either enjoy them or you don't, but you don't get to say those content are not made for a certain group when there is no indication (unlike savage raiding) of that being the case.

You don't have to enjoy them and you don't have to do them. Stick with asking what you want more of, don't try to use these other contents as excuses.

[Zabuza]

I'm not telling you to do anything in regard to how you play. You either enjoy them or you don't, but you don't get to say those content are not made for a certain group when there is no indication (unlike savage raiding) of that being the case.

You don't have to enjoy them and you don't have to do them. Stick with asking what you want more of, don't try to use these other contents as excuses.

How can I not? I've had more than 15 instances in this thread of casuals bragging about how they have sooooo much to do. So, that being the case, it's interesting that you're so opposed to even throwing a bone to the people talking about how they are STARVING for content. I can't call it anything else but selfishness at this point. You changed the landscape of our game to be easier, and now you don't want to share a single thing with raiders. You don't want to allow them even the slightest bit of joy.

[linay]

How can I not? I've had more than 15 instances in this thread of casuals bragging about how they have sooooo much to do.

Even if people brag, what does that have to do with you? Arguing over what content casuals have does nothing to further your cause. It simply deviates from the point of the thread to ask for a specific type of content.

So, that being the case, it's interesting that you're so opposed to even throwing a bone to the people talking about how they are STARVING for content. I can't call it anything else but selfishness at this point. You changed the landscape of our game to be easier, and now you don't want to share a single thing with raiders. You don't want to allow them even the slightest bit of joy.

I'm going to take that as a generic "you" as I have no problem with having more difficult content for people who want them. I do have problem with people mislabeling other types of content as only intended for casuals when there is no reason aside from personal choice (not inability, nor a lack of effort) why a raider couldn't enjoy them as well.

[Zabuza]

Even if people brag, what does that have to do with you? Arguing over what content casuals have does nothing to further your cause. It simply deviates from the point of the thread to ask for a specific type of content.

I'm going to take that as a generic "you" as I have no problem with having more difficult content for people who want them. I do have problem with people mislabeling other types of content as only intended for casuals when there is no reason aside from personal choice (not inability, nor a lack of effort) why a raider couldn't enjoy them as well.

We already asked for our content many times over, but the casuals came in here intensely fighting against us getting anything new. Telling us to leave this game and go to WoW if we want raiding. Telling us we shouldn't try to ask for content that is enjoyable to us, because this game is a casual paradise(ignoring the fact they changed it to be so by complaining until they got their way.) Bragging about their victory in telling us just how much content they have but still being unwilling to give us anything. What does it have to do with me? It intensely frustrating for me because of the reason stated in the previous sentence. I don't believe it would hurt them to allow us a bone. And sorry but, by and large the majority of raiders want to raid. These other types of content are at the least, not their primary interest and in fact likely they have no interest in them whatsoever.

[BlitzAceRush]

How can I not? I've had more than 15 instances in this thread of casuals bragging about how they have sooooo much to do. So, that being the case, it's interesting that you're so opposed to even throwing a bone to the people talking about how they are STARVING for content. I can't call it anything else but selfishness at this point. You changed the landscape of our game to be easier, and now you don't want to share a single thing with raiders. You don't want to allow them even the slightest bit of joy.

It's not about robbing you of joy, you've put yourself into a corner, only end game content will do, nothing else matters yet there are games better suited to that desire, should I be over there asking for them to give me some of their game when I could be here? You don't have to go, but I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who's deliberately standing in a game with little of what they want, that's always had little of what they want, refused every other part of the game or the truth that other games would give them more of what they want while they ask for it here.
You're the author of your own pain, any game will look light when you ignore the bulk of it, you are free to not enjoy the bulk of it, but the truth is you've gotten more, it's not enough but stop pretending this game was ever something it wasn't, it was a little harder but it never had lots of raid content.
Even if the difficulty had remained the same you'd still only have right now, 4 bosses and two EX's that unless they all used gravity like Titan would have been cleared in a few days Vs one.