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[Kolsykol]

I really hate the term "virtue signalling". Is nobody allowed to be genuinely empathetic any more?

It's a self perpetuating argument.
"You don't mean that, you're just virtue signalling."
"No really, I mean it because I can understand it from the other person's point of view."
"Now you're virtue signalling by saying you're genuine."

There's simply no way to escape that logic. If they're faking it, they're rightfully shot down; if they're genuine, they're wrongly shot down. But never ever taken to actually mean what they say.

And not this is not virtue signalling, it's genuine frustration.

I hear ya.

I do think that '' virtue-signaling '' is an actual legitimate term ( a lot of right-wingers do it too, even tho it's basically just used to attack people on the left for the most part. ).
But people overuse it a lot, it's the same with terms like '' SJW ''.
Yes... '' SJW's '' are an actual thing and they're extremely obnoxious and annoying, but just because you're progressive doesn't mean that you're one of them...

I am very sex-positive and I think that A LOT of people on the left and self-proclaimed progressives are extremely problematic too, like I dunno if I am allowed to say certain things on this forum but some of the language that so called progressives use when talking about women who are '' too sexy '' ( according to them ) is extremely disgusting and way worse than what I hear even from very conserative people.
Kotaku released an article covering a 3D model fanart of Samus from a Riot artist, an the comment section was seriously calling the model some incredibly disgusting things under the guise of '' wokeness ''.
Even big mainstream Youtubers that have now become popular ( Breadtube or whatever they're called ) do this.
'' Titninja '' is a lesser one, but there are way worse.
But seriously... If you refer to someone as a '' titninja '' then you're really just a sexist piece of shit and you're the one sexually objectifying women ( especially since they say it about female characters who they don't know shit about other than what they've seen, which I thought was something that '' we '' were supposed to be against? ).
And whenever I point it out I both get accused of being an '' SJW '', an '' alt-right incel '' AND of '' virtue-signaling '' all at the same time LOL.

People love to throw these words around as if it's some kind of an '' I win button '' and as if it's an actual argument.
I don't think that you can really accuse someone on the internet that you've only interacted with once of '' virtue-signaling ''.
There sorta needs to be a long-running pattern there which is usually inconsistent and mainly just following trends and isn't based in actual principles, otherwise you really don't know.

[Kolsykol]

But uh, yeah...
This debate that people are having clearly isn't in good faith.
It just seems like a lot of '' gotcha's '' and wild accusations.

I can't imagine it going anywhere good...

[Lunavi]

Considering how little work would actually be required for this IF they have coded stuff properly (BIG if), I am all for it. It wouldn't be a huge resource cost at all IF they have coded it properly and if this is the case I do strongly endorse this. However, if it requires too much work, then no. While I strongly approve of a system like this I do more highly value other things, such as making more glamours available for both genders and all races and the creation of new content. This shouldn't be such a huge deal that it should take longer than a day or so to fix, but you never know with the spaghetti-code.

[Krotoan]

This shouldn't be such a huge deal that it should take longer than a day or so to fix, but you never know with the spaghetti-code.

This will require reworking of the entire MSQ text for many languages or it will result in very weird and unnatural sentences. In english there would at least have to be quality control to make sure it all works OK. This is not a day or so thing.

[TheRedChameleon]

This will require reworking of the entire MSQ text for many languages...

You mean the four supported languages? (Not counting China and Korea as theyre effectively operating on they're own system)

It's not like swapping pronouns when a fantasia is used brings the system to a halt so I dont see what the issue is.

[Jollyy5]

You mean the four supported languages? (Not counting China and Korea as theyre effectively operating on they're own system)

It's not like swapping pronouns when a fantasia is used brings the system to a halt so I dont see what the issue is.

Because the code required for the system to identify if the character is a "he" or a "she" is already there, been since the start.

All the program needs to do is to change your character from "true" to "false" or vice versa.

[Emmanellain]

Sorry, I know it no doubt would be nice for you, but you also need to remember the fact that people like you OP are about 0.1 of the earth's population. (figuratively, not literally)

the development team is already working their hineys off, and are still working on getting headgear fixed for Viera and Hrothgar, what you are asking is hours of work to include something your imagination easily could do for you.

I honest to god cannot see the point in including this in the game, sorry, they have more important things to do that'll please a wider part of the player base than a fringe few that easily can just develop their own RP headcanons and be done with it.

[Yshnal]

Are we playing the same game? Did you really just skip over every political moment in this game that is a parallel to the real world.

Heck they even have a small story element with the NPC "Koko" in the Azim Steppe regarding something very similar to what the OP is asking for.

Honestly, the things I'd love to say to people like you and the many others in this thread that spew hate but I'd fetch a ban for that right quick.

What I will say is you aren't clever, your intent is very clear. Hatred, hatred, hatred.

Spin it however way you like but if this is the conclusion you come to, and I've seen your kind many times before, it's all from hatred.

Do you know what's interesting about this post, and which illustrates plenty of other more passive-aggressive ones too? That you have no idea of who I am (maybe because I don't go around waving any flags and generally disrupting other people's lives), yet here we are, assuming things and spewing hate. You might have suffered a lot on your life, or whatever, but that doesn't make you special. Plenty of people go through bad -and maybe worse- stuff and aren't constantly demanding things, attacking others or feeling ofended over everything. The only thing that you accomplish by doing this is to make people feel tired of you, which is not the way towards tolerance and respect (because you don't show it, to start with).

This is why a lot of us don't want this socio-politic stuff in our games, or in entertainment in general. We have enough of that crap on our daily lives.

We, as of the rest of the playerbase (and some are part of other minorities, too), don't put our RL issues and problems on you. Why do some of you insist on doing it to us? Live and let live.

EDIT: Just in case, this reply is aimed at the people like the person which I quoted. My reply for this topic is still the other one.

[CazzT]

Because the code required for the system to identify if the character is a "he" or a "she" is already there, been since the start.

All the program needs to do is to change your character from "true" to "false" or vice versa.

Except that's not what's being asked for here. It's already set to a binary. What's being asked for is to add duck, potatoe, pickle, gingerbread, airplane, moon, sandwich, etc.

And what about the "genderfluid" crowd? If they cave to the made up pronouns, they're going to be beaten over the head until they cave to the genderfluids crowd (give an inch, take a mile). And if they don't, they'll be accused of hate and bigotry. That will mean creating a system that has to check every line of dialogue with a gender pronoun for the WoL, and an option that lets them choose what gender they want to be for each line of dialogue.

This is a slippery slope. It's not worth the devs' time and it would provide zero benefit to the game.

[Lunavi]

This will require reworking of the entire MSQ text for many languages or it will result in very weird and unnatural sentences. In english there would at least have to be quality control to make sure it all works OK. This is not a day or so thing.

Yes, I don't know how it is for other languages in all fairness, but for English this would be pretty simple.

As I said, it strongly strongly depends on how things are coded. The only time they would have to change anything at all is in all pieces of texts including our pronouns, and if this is a variable, such as [gender], they could search out all of these with an easy search function and only look at those specific cases, which aren't too many, and add a variable [s] that appears after first verb after each [gender] (as found by manual reading of course to avoid messups) and have the same variable triggering an if/else statement for is/are they and make the same thing with . Considering the length of the story, I would say this is a process that can't take too much longer than 1-2 days IF the code is well written to support something like the search function which would make it so easy to find the snippets of dialogue that could be in need to get changed.

I can't, however, speak for other languages if it is as easy as this, that I can agree on 100%, but they could also take help by localization team on this project to create an algorithm that helps with this process. I say help as while it would be possible to do an algorithm that did this all on its own, that one would be inaccurate sometimes which could cause unnaturally flowing text. My point is, that with some clever solutions it is possible to make this possible without having to review every single piece of dialogue manually, which would cut down the workload for this process to a very manageable one. Also, this would likely fall a lot on localization teams to do as well.
EDIT to avoid double post:

You mean the four supported languages? (Not counting China and Korea as theyre effectively operating on they're own system)

It's not like swapping pronouns when a fantasia is used brings the system to a halt so I dont see what the issue is.

The problem is grammatical errors that might occur, not that the system would break down, and while this is kinda easy to fix in English, while I do not know any of the other languages save for Germany, I know from people I know who speak French that it is a heavily gendered language that could cause issues on this area, which I due to my lack of understanding of the language can't properly measure how long it would take to fix, which is what was critiqued and a point that they are fully correct on.